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Old 06-30-2018, 12:05 AM   #161
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We've come a long way from the original point I was trying to make. What i was trying to say was that for a guy like fox to see that the Flames went out and signed stone and bartkowski for the bottom pair while there were at least two prospects (Andersson/Valimaki) that were ahead of him in the depth chart and weren't being given a chance, obviously that would discourage him from wanting to sign here.
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Old 06-30-2018, 12:08 AM   #162
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Sure but the coach has been fired...besides the Flames have had no issue with playing young dmen and are gonna have a 21 year old in their top four next season. Still not sure what this had to do with Tobias Rieder.
The coach didn't sign stone or bartkowski. But you're right, we went way off topic here.
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Old 06-30-2018, 09:10 AM   #163
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Yeah and Treliving is pinning all his hopes on everything going right for him. That was the problem last season, the 2nd line didn't replicate their career years, Bennett didn't take a step forward and Brouwer took yet another step back.

How can he expect Hanifin and Lindholm to somehow replace the 38 goals we just lost when the two players have averaged 14 and 6 goals a season up to date in their careers? If they do somehow manage to match that, does that make us any better than just an average to poor goal scoring team again next season? It's insanity.

Treliving's long list of failed players is irritating me beyond belief right now and the worst part is, he doesn't even look like he's even trying to change it.
I'm just not so sure I'd be counting goals in this simplistic way. It's too simple. Its as if nothing else changes at all but the math between the four players in the trade.

If I was running the team I'd fix the powerplay as it hurt them badly, which they did by a new coaching staff and a specialist which is worth more goals than any player transaction in my mind.

From there I challenge even the simple replacement goals math that people are suggesting. I doubt Ferland scores 21 goals again next year if he's not traded. He was hot for 6 weeks and scored often and then wasn't heard from. That inconsistency probably gets him on a different line this year. Hamilton scored 17 with a hat trick for a career year. Does he do that again? He could if the powerplay improved.

I'm a roster construction guy and I think they have better balance now.

Improving the bottom six is the next logical place to look
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Old 06-30-2018, 09:21 AM   #164
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I don’t really understand why people only look at Ferland’s second half when evaluating him. He was on a 30 goal pace at one point with not too much PP time. He has improved his production every year. Maddeningly inconsistent but also not like he isn’t still a young player. Late bloomer with far fewer NHL games than Lindholm.

I don’t get it. You can like the trade without dismissing Ferland.

If we only looked at how Flames performed in the second half you’d conclude we have about the worst team in the league.
I worry about any player that has a 15% shooting percentage as that is unlikely to repeat itself.

Truth be known he did it two years in a row, but the sample size says he'll need to improve a lot to keep his goal production similar when that rate comes off.

But can we stop with the Ferland's a great guy responses from some? I'm not hammering the person at all, this is a hockey discussion about roster spots. I love Ferland's story and wish him well, but saying he's inconsistent shouldn't face a push back about his personal story
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Old 06-30-2018, 10:02 AM   #165
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I already looked at the numbers and watched every game and the hypothesis that I came up with was backed up by the final numbers when I looked at it at the end of the season. You can come up with any other theory you want, but when a good PP and good systems drops nearly 9% and down 20 spots, it’s pretty hard to ignore the correlation/causation.
Aren't you basically saying the league figuered out the Flames powerlay and the coaching staff didn't have a new wrinkle to walk out as a correction?
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Ek is saying he picked the oilers. Don't believe it
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Old 06-30-2018, 10:59 AM   #167
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Ek is saying he picked the oilers. Don't believe it
Apparently Oilers are out of the Rieder sweepstakes according to Ryan Rishaug.
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I’m trusting the team insider over ‘Speklund’
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Old 06-30-2018, 11:12 AM   #169
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whenever i hear an E5 rumor

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Why would Reider sign with a team that traded him for Kale Kessy?
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Old 06-30-2018, 11:18 AM   #171
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Because McDavid. Duh.
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IIRC didn't Rieder ask to be traded from Edmonton a few years ago? Kind of forced his way out I thought..
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Because McDavid. Duh.
So he's liking the prospect of getting less ice time because McDavid plays half a game?
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So he's liking the prospect of getting less ice time because McDavid plays half a game?
Put on your sweatpants and your best pair of shoes and then re-read my post in your best Bob Stauffer voice. Oilers fans are all convinced that every player everywhere wants nothing more than to share the same air as Connor McDavid. Playing in the same line does not matter—simply having the opportunity to watch him from his team bench is a privilege every player would sacrifice millions of dollars for.
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Put on your sweatpants and your best pair of shoes and then re-read my post in your best Bob Stauffer voice. Oilers fans are all convinced that every player everywhere wants nothing more than to share the same air as Connor McDavid. Playing in the same line does not matter—simply having the opportunity to watch him from his team bench is a privilege every player would sacrifice millions of dollars for.
He hopes that he will be the one McDavid taps on the shoulder after losing ...

"Let's go".
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looks like Canucks are out

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looks like he is heading east

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Who? Bartkowski?

Can you think of a better defenseman to sit the entire season in the press box?

That was a WAY better option than having him occupy the #6 slot, or a development spot in the AHL.

Complaining about the fact that Bartkowski barely played is ridiculous.
It's not ridiculous. Bartkowski had a huge impact on Bennett's slump to start the season if you paid attention to how bad that Bart-Stone pair was and how Gulutzan used them. Bennett played 9 games at center last year and eight of them were spent covering for Bart gaffes.
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