This will either give the jets something to rally around or it will destroy their season. Judging by the maturity of the leadership in that room (based on today's news), I wouldn't be overly optimistic if I were a jets fan. I will boldly predict Winnipeg finishes the season with 80 points, well out of the playoffs.
If a convicted murder can manage the Oilers, I guess a guy who didn't have proper lighting on his boat can lead an NHL dressing room
I know you're trying to be funny, but no Oilers management was ever convicted or charged with murder.
Back on topic, what Buff did was hazing, but Kane did put himself above the team. Buff probably could/should have let management deal with the issue, but it's not the first time Kane has put himself before the team.
As far as comparisons to Seguin, like other posters have mentioned, (with Seguin) it was strictly a salary cap move. If/when Kane gets moved it's 100 percent to do with attitude. Two completely different scenarios.
Where does this idea that Gio and co will fix Kane come from? There are no problem children on the Flames. They haven't had to "fix" anyone. It's a delusional thought, sorry. The guy thinks he's a rockstar. He does not give 2 fatas if Gio or Ladd or Gretzky is his captain.
Gio wouldn't have to 'fix' him. I think that as an organization, there is an overwhelming sense of mutual respect and honour that seems to reside in places like Calgary, Boston, LA or Detroit that doesn't exist in places like Edmonton, Winnipeg or Toronto. You can tell exactly how Kane's career is going to play out by where he is traded, day one.
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Care to point out evidence that the Winnipeg hockey community was enraged with Buff's DUI boating charge? How about Pavelec being convincted of DUI in the Czech Republic? Hardly any talk about that.
Now let's turn our attention to Kane:
-rude to fans
-history of not paying for bills when dining out
-fighting with teammates at practice
-favors tweets about being traded
-benched 3 times by 2 coaches for violating team rules
-posts selfies of him with wads of cash, while fans are missing games due to a labour dispute, and have to be refunded -rumors of bar fights in Winnipeg and Vancouver
-creeping women on their Facebook
Need I go on? We all have our own faults, but this guy just is a cancer to the team. Winnipeg will get what we can for him, and rid ourselves of this overgrown child.
Not just rumours. He was involved in a physical alteration and faces a lawsuit over it. He has claimed self-defense though.
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Lots of speculation around E.Kane. I believe Kane was en route to arena when told to go back to the hotel because he was late.
[B]As far as comparisons to Seguin, like other posters have mentioned, (with Seguin) it was strictly a salary cap move. If/when Kane gets moved it's 100 percent to do with attitude. Two completely different scenarios.
No it wasn't. It was handled better, and it's likely that Seguin's antics weren't causing lockerroom rifts but it was far from strictly a salary cap move.
Two days before he was traded, Chiarelli said that Seguin needed to be more professional...
Is it an appropriate way for "leadership" to handle the situation? No
You guys are blowing this way out of proportion. Kane needs to change his attitude, and Byfuglien did something childish. Solution - get rid of Kane, talk to Byfuglien and tell him not to do something like that again.
Wow, I'm laughing at the whole bullying thing. This is a sports locker room, manned by athletes with pretty tough senses of humor. Thats how they deal with tensions and disruptions. And if Kane got his nose out of shape and walked out on his team over a wet track suit then he's a major problem.
I'm going to type that a different way.
He walked out on his team and didn't play in a important game because his team mates threw a track suit in the shower.
That makes Kane a quiter and a worthless team mate and player. I doubt that any GM is going to welcome someone like that into their locker room.
Kane is lucky that this is the age that it is. In the age of the strong leaders, like Howe, Lindsay, Richard, Bobby Clarke, Messier and Espo. That suit wouldn't have been soaked in water, it would have been soaked in blood, because you didn't mess with your team around those guys, and you didn't break the team rules around those guys.
Buf, while not perfect, tried to do a correction in a pretty harmless way.
Kane basically blew a spaz, over reacted and walked out on his team.
By rights, the Jets should have suspended the kid without pay and sent him home.
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I know you're trying to be funny, but no Oilers management was ever convicted or charged with murder.
Back on topic, what Buff did was hazing, but Kane did put himself above the team. Buff probably could/should have let management deal with the issue, but it's not the first time Kane has put himself before the team.
As far as comparisons to Seguin, like other posters have mentioned, (with Seguin) it was strictly a salary cap move. If/when Kane gets moved it's 100 percent to do with attitude. Two completely different scenarios.
I stand corrected. Vehicular homicide.
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No it wasn't. It was handled better, and it's likely that Seguin's antics weren't causing lockerroom rifts but it was far from strictly a salary cap move.
Two days before he was traded, Chiarelli said that Seguin needed to be more professional...
In the video I watched, Chiarelli said that someone needed to go and mentioned Seguin because of the depth at center that they already had.
No doubt Seguin had attitude issues, but they didn't move him because of attitude issues. They moved him because of the salary cap.
One could argue that it made it easier to move Seguin, because of the issues, but that wasn't the main reason he was moved. Huge difference.
I'm not a CBA expert but is refusing to play a game in violation of his contract that opens him up to suspension without pay?
He has actually been playing through an injury that is known to the medical staff, so although he is cleared to play there probably wouldn't be any legal ramification to not playing.
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Have heard that Kane and Byfuglien haven't gotten along going back four or five years. Kane doesn't have many allies in that room.
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In the video I watched, Chiarelli said that someone needed to go and mentioned Seguin because of the depth at center that they already had.
No doubt Seguin had attitude issues, but they didn't move him because of attitude issues. They moved him because of the salary cap.
One could argue that it made it easier to move Seguin, because of the issues, but that wasn't the main reason he was moved. Huge difference.
In an edited video that was released purposely to the public by the Bruins.
Chiarelli has made it very clear that he wouldn't comment on the specifics of the private life of Tyler Seguin, but 2 days before he got traded he said that Seguin had to be more of a professional and had also commented on his compete level not being where it needed to be.
Seguin's own father had said that Seguin liked the nightlife and the reported rumours of him having a guard to stop him from partying. Rumours existed long before that (and like Seguin's father said, he was a 19 or 20 year old kid).
I'm not suggesting they had to run him out of the locker room and get him away from the team at all costs. But it also wasn't 'strictly a salary cap' move either.
to give an example of a guy with some rumored attitude issues (Kassian), and how a team of adults handles it
Henrik Sedin on Kassian today
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“Right now, when he goes through something like this, he’s going to gain respect by shutting his mouth and working hard,” Sedin said. “He’s going to get a chance to come back and show that he can play. He has shown that he can play at this level, but he needs to be more consistent.”
Asked what else he would tell Kassian if asked for advice: “I would tell him that we were scratched in our fourth year as well. We told him to keep his head up.”
