Recall the UCP and other activist responses

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Operation Total Recall is now showing 21 recalls in motion:

• 14 targeted - Meaning someone has stepped up to be the proponent for the petition (Step 1 in their process)
• 5 Initial Paperwork Submitted - Paperwork has been filed with $500 payment (Step 2)
• 1 Initial Paperwork Accepted - Paperwork has been accepted by Elections Alberta and is waiting for the Member statement before issuing the petition to start collecting signatures (Step 3)
• 1 Gathering signatures (Step 5)

What is the website that tracks this?

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

What is the website that tracks this?

I started updating the second post in this thread with that info along with a link to the Alberta Elections recall process page.

https://operationtotalrecall.ca/

If I find any other FAQ type information I'll try to keep maintaining the first or second post in the thread so that you peeps do not have to look for a post on page 6... or was it page 5?

[Reggie28]

Quick question, if a recall petition is successful, then there is a recall vote. If the recall vote is over 50%, does that mean that the MLA is essentially “fired” and that seat is now vacant until a by election can be held?

If so, would the government recoup some of the cost of the recall by not having to pay salaries and other costs associated with the MLA?

[Fuzz]

I'll be very surprised if we ever see a recall vacate a seat, and even more surprised if a by-election is ever held before the next election.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Reggie28

Quick question, if a recall petition is successful, then there is a recall vote. If the recall vote is over 50%, does that mean that the MLA is essentially “fired” and that seat is now vacant until a by election can be held?

If so, would the government recoup some of the cost of the recall by not having to pay salaries and other costs associated with the MLA?

Yes. Petition -> Recall Vote -> MLA Fired -> Byelection -> New MLA starts.

From the time between the MLA being fired and the new MLA starting we would be saving on that salary. The salary is not a lot compared to the cost of the recall but it is better than nothing.

Recalling a Minister is even better as they get paid more than regular MLAs.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Even if a recall is successful, what's stopping the UCP from just ignoring it? Conservatives don't exactly seem fond of playing by the rules these days

[Point Blank]

To me I think the process of recall is just as important as the recall itself. Maybe I’m being naive but I think there are a lot of uninformed moderates who vote conservative simply because they always have. Engaging with canvassers helps them learn about all the stupid #### this government has been up to.

And also, a big thank you to Wolven for keeping this thread up to date!

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Even if a recall is successful, what's stopping the UCP from just ignoring it? Conservatives don't exactly seem fond of playing by the rules these days

That is a great question.

The Lieutenant Governor in Council is in charge of the recall vote an executing the results of the vote. Since the LG does not answer to the UCP and is in fact appointed by the Federal government (PM), I see no reason why the LG would not follow through with stripping an MLA of their title and position.

Once the MLA is officially stripped of their title and position, they would no longer have access to be in the legislature. If they tried to pretend they were still an MLA then they can be arrested and charged.

I am not sure how the UCP could really ignore these rules, especially since they created them.

[Fuzz]

Maybe an odd question and very unlikely to occur, but could the UCP use the notwithstanding clause on any orders by The Lieutenant Governor?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Maybe an odd question and very unlikely to occur, but could the UCP use the notwithstanding clause on any orders by The Lieutenant Governor?

No, governments can't overrule the Lieutenant General or Governor General. The Governor General, however, the GG can overrule provincial use of the notwithstanding clause via disallowance.

[MBates]

Originally Posted by Wolven

That is a great question.

The Lieutenant Governor in Council is in charge of the recall vote an executing the results of the vote. Since the LG does not answer to the UCP and is in fact appointed by the Federal government (PM), I see no reason why the LG would not follow through with stripping an MLA of their title and position.

Once the MLA is officially stripped of their title and position, they would no longer have access to be in the legislature. If they tried to pretend they were still an MLA then they can be arrested and charged.

I am not sure how the UCP could really ignore these rules, especially since they created them.

Hate to break it to you but the Lieutenant Governor in Council means the LG acting on the advice of Executive Council (otherwise known as the Provincial Cabinet). And generally as a matter of constitutional convention the LG does not have authority to do anything without first receiving said advice.

The way the Recall Act is written it makes it mandatory for Cabinet (by way of LG in Council) to order a recall vote be conducted within 4 months of a successful recall petition. But if they just didn't do it, you would have to take them to court and have a judge order them to comply with the legislation. It would not be solved by the LG stepping up to do anything.

Interestingly enough, if the recall vote results are in favour of the MLA being recalled, then section 20(1) of the Act indicates by the publication of the result on the Chief Electoral Officer's Website, the statute declares the MLA recalled and the seat vacant.

https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/laws/st...1-c-r-5.7.html

Without that website publication, it appears, nothing happens.

So in the world of possible shenanigans...taking the Chief Electoral Officer's Website offline would block the outcome of a recall vote from having legal effect and the MLA could carry on in the meantime.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by MBates

Hate to break it to you but the Lieutenant Governor in Council means the LG acting on the advice of Executive Council (otherwise known as the Provincial Cabinet). And generally as a matter of constitutional convention the LG does not have authority to do anything without first receiving said advice.

The way the Recall Act is written it makes it mandatory for Cabinet (by way of LG in Council) to order a recall vote be conducted within 4 months of a successful recall petition. But if they just didn't do it, you would have to take them to court and have a judge order them to comply with the legislation. It would not be solved by the LG stepping up to do anything.

Interestingly enough, if the recall vote results are in favour of the MLA being recalled, then section 20(1) of the Act indicates by the publication of the result on the Chief Electoral Officer's Website, the statute declares the MLA recalled and the seat vacant.

https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/laws/st...1-c-r-5.7.html

Without that website publication, it appears, nothing happens.

So in the world of possible shenanigans...taking the Chief Electoral Officer's Website offline would block the outcome of a recall vote from having legal effect and the MLA could carry on in the meantime.

Thanks. I thought I had a simple understanding of how it was supposed to go but always happy to learn the truth.

[Caged Great]

Got another 60 about the same as the last couple days all in the one location. We are getting more people to register daily to sign.

Going to be moving to another location tomorrow. Hoping to get to the halfway mark next week.

[Caged Great]

We are averaging 250-300 a day, sometimes slightly more.

[surferguy]

They were setup in Wildwood this afternoon. Wish I could sign but I’m not in the boundaries.

[WideReceiver]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

90000 is still a ton! Even at 1 minute per that means a team of 10 working 150 hours (ie. 4 weeks).

It really depends on how rigorous they have to be. I think it could be as simple as typing the name into a master voting list and ticking it off if it matches. If it doesn't come up then spend a bit more time to investigate

An Elections Alberta employee signed with me. She said names will be compared to voter lists. If you’re on it and the information is complete, you’re good.

[Fuzz]

It sure sounds as if Danielle Smith’s United Conservative Party will soon rip a page from the Book of Depression era Social Credit premier William Aberhart and repeal the province’s recall legislation as soon as possible, now that it’s being used against UCP MLAs.

Leastways, in an Oct. 31 social media post with a strong ring of truth to it, Lethbridge resident Daniela Andrea Kutney described a half-hour meeting with her Lethbridge-East UCP MLA, utilities minister Nathan Neudorf, during which she said he told her that “the UCP will be working to repeal the recall system which has been abused.”

Mr. Neudorf advised her during their meeting earlier on Halloween that the repeal legislation “will likely not happen until spring,” Ms. Kutney added.

Intriguingly, she wrote, Mr. Neudorf said that if a recall campaign is started in his electoral district, “he believes it will be successful and we will likely become an NDP riding.”

https://albertapolitics.ca/2025/11/s...receiving-end/


Coward! Brave Sir Danny ran away! Bravely ran away away!

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Then force them to do so, followed by a constitutional challenge to the repeal legislation. Can't just give up on it.

[Fuzz]

Revoking a purportedly democratic tool that your party championed because "The People" have used it for the very reasons you claim it needed to exist is going to be a hell of an argument to watch her try to make.


Of course I know she'll just pull it and say it was being abused by radical leftists, and we can't have our democracy made a mockery of by the woke mob, and that will be that. Everyone knows only the right is permitted to make a mockery of our democracy.


The correct course of action here remains to make a mockery of it.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

If that's what they're going to do you still force them to do it.