[OOT] January 17 with eight games.

[curves2000]

Is it safe to say that we can almost consider this matter closed given how little action there has been from the Flyers and the NHL as a whole? I assume Provorov may have dropped the bomb on the team last minute in regards to this and it left everybody scrambling on how to deal with the situation.

Bottom line is that there are certain legal and constitutional issues with forcing and or punishing people/employee's for certain things that may go against their religion, no matter what the scenario may be.

This goes for other NHL players and their religions too. Making reasonable accommodations for them in specific circumstances is important. NHL teams can't bench, fine, suspend Provorov for this request anymore than if a Muslim, Jewish, Christian player made requests for a prayer room, to be able to wear a cross or be served team meals without pork.

I do wonder if some of the backlash in SOME aspects is because he is Russian and everything that is going on. I don't know if some media members would be openly be bashing a player of Jewish, Muslim, Christian, black, visible minority decent. Some of the things being said may be legit defamation in some arguments.

Regardless, it's not logical to think that he is the only player who would object to this league wide. I think if polled quietly, a much larger percentage of pro athletes may object to this if there wasn't the backlash.

I can almost guarantee the teams and league is developing a policy to try and mitigate this from happening in the future. I think some people sometimes forgot that certain things are being done for optics in today's world but the details and the work needed is lacking. I think some players on the NHL's diversity committee even indicated it was kinda a farse in a lot of ways.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Is it safe to say that we can almost consider this matter closed given how little action there has been from the Flyers and the NHL as a whole? I assume Provorov may have dropped the bomb on the team last minute in regards to this and it left everybody scrambling on how to deal with the situation.

Bottom line is that there are certain legal and constitutional issues with forcing and or punishing people/employee's for certain things that may go against their religion, no matter what the scenario may be.

This goes for other NHL players and their religions too. Making reasonable accommodations for them in specific circumstances is important. NHL teams can't bench, fine, suspend Provorov for this request anymore than if a Muslim, Jewish, Christian player made requests for a prayer room, to be able to wear a cross or be served team meals without pork.

I do wonder if some of the backlash in SOME aspects is because he is Russian and everything that is going on. I don't know if some media members would be openly be bashing a player of Jewish, Muslim, Christian, black, visible minority decent. Some of the things being said may be legit defamation in some arguments.

Regardless, it's not logical to think that he is the only player who would object to this league wide. I think if polled quietly, a much larger percentage of pro athletes may object to this if there wasn't the backlash.

I can almost guarantee the teams and league is developing a policy to try and mitigate this from happening in the future. I think some people sometimes forgot that certain things are being done for optics in today's world but the details and the work needed is lacking. I think some players on the NHL's diversity committee even indicated it was kinda a farse in a lot of ways.

Most of these types of campaigns are entirely performative.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Major Major

No... No it's not.

First of all, Kramer doesn't have a job. His entire persona is that he lives his life free of any responsibility and as a singular entity. He states in the clip that he won't wear the ribbon because he doesn't want to be like everyone else. A very Kramer position.

Provorov has responsibilities towards two groups. His team and his religion. It is almost the opposite of what Kramer had because he didn't choose individuality. He chose the sheep like group think of his religion.

That clip in Seinfeld would have been very odd and not funny had Kramer said that he supports people with aids but people with aids go against his religious beliefs and therefore he doesn't really want to align himself with those that have it though they are free to live and die as they please.

Provorov has a responsibility to train properly, perform as an NHL player on the ice, give his team the best chance to win games and abide by the terms of his NHL contract. His responsibility to the flyers franchise, the NHL and his teammates does not extend to participate in every social causes that the NHL deems elevates the leagues brand.

Just because they are employed by the NHL, Ovechkin isn't required to denounce Putin, Proverov isn't required to wear gay pride imagery, Thomas isn't required to be at an event but on by Obama, and Braden Holtby/Brett Connolly/Devante Smith-Pelly aren't required to attend events put on by Trump.

The NHL and it's franchises believe in respecting the individual values of their players when they conflict with the brand of the league as a whole. As a supporter of freedom of speech and individual rights, I applaud the leagues positioning on this subject and the maturity they displayed in managing this issue.

Furthermore as someone who is pro-choice, pro gay rights and progressive in general (but not part of the immature, woke, cancel-culture mob), I have the maturity to respect the differing values and cultural views of others. I wouldn't never ask my employees to wear gay pride uniforms or support social causes they don't believe in, because I respect them as individuals with unique viewpoints, cultures and lived experiences. However, I would demand they treat all customers with respect regardless of their race, creed, religion, sexual orientation or gender identity.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

As a supporter of freedom of speech and individual rights

Cool. So you have no issue with people expressing their disapproval of the decision Provorov made here?

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Cool. So you have no issue with people expressing their disapproval of the decision Provorov made here?

many here were hyperventilating because he wasnt benched or didnt have his ice time cut.

Criticizing him is fine. Punishing him is not fine.