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powderjunkie · 07-12-2021, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

No he cant officially sign but nothing stopping a verbal agreement.

There's also not much from Johnny deciding to change his mind or jack the price by 500k per to get the ink on paper. "it's a business". The reputation risks cut both ways...would the Flames want it to get out how they blundered the situation?

I don't think it's likely, but people get cold feet all the time.

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Okay, that makes more sense. But I bolded it for you - you wrote CANT

He's saying what Friedman seemed to think

dissentowner · 07-12-2021, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Keep banging that drum buddy.

When you're right you can bang that drum all day long.

PepsiFree · 07-12-2021, 05:00 PM

Chicago just dealt Keith to a limited pool of 3-4 teams and still got more for him than they would have dealing him anywhere else.

Now, we all can't trade with the Oilers every time, what a gift that would be, but I think people are unnecessarily worried about the NTC. It's Gaudreau. As down as people are on him much of the time, you can bet every single team he could be traded to on his NTC would want him and be willing to make it work to get him. He's a gifted first liner in his prime. Those guys aren't easily had.

My feeling is he probably stays, but I think it's just foolish to declare some issue around not getting a deal or trade done before an arbitrary fan-made deadline. The other side of it is that setting an arbitrary deadline for a trade means you're also limiting your trade ability, just in a different. Add to the fact that you're also dealing with an expansion draft this year and it could be a messy thing to try and force something.

Vinny01 · 07-12-2021, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Im not sure they can even wait til the 27th...I think that if they deal him, it has to be at the draft on the 23rd or other teams may go another direction depending on assets being used.

Hard to give up a 2021 1st in a deal when its already been used...just as an example.

Dunno...its russian roulette to let it get to the 28th, thats for sure. It would be BT's death knell to let him get to UFA and see him walk for nothing.

I would rather get a 1st in 22 or 23 over 21 so I think this can go past the draft. For me this needs resolution before the NTC kicks in. If Johnny hasn’t given his commitment to the team by whatever date/time the team sets then Treliving needs to have the best deal lined up and pull the trigger.

transplant99 · 07-12-2021, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Chicago just dealt Keith to a limited pool of 3-4 teams and still got more for him than they would have dealing him anywhere else.

Now, we all can't trade with the Oilers every time, what a gift that would be, but I think people are unnecessarily worried about the NTC. It's Gaudreau. As down as people are on him much of the time, you can bet every single team he could be traded to on his NTC would want him and be willing to make it work to get him. He's a gifted first liner in his prime. Those guys aren't easily had.

My feeling is he probably stays, but I think it's just foolish to declare some issue around not getting a deal or trade done before an arbitrary fan-made deadline. The other side of it is that setting an arbitrary deadline for a trade means you're also limiting your trade ability, just in a different. Add to the fact that you're also dealing with an expansion draft this year and it could be a messy thing to try and force something.

??

On July 28th he can be traded to only 5 teams of his choosing.

That is not "fan made".

I agree he likely stays, but only with a firm agreement in hand that both sides are OK with.

Im guessing the parameters for a deal with different teams are already in place and now it comes down to if the two sides can agree or not. If they cant...he is gone.

sureLoss · 07-20-2021, 08:02 AM

on the July 20 edition of the 31 thoughts podcast, Friedman says it sounds like Calgary is out on Eichel

edit: also says sounds like Ducks and LA is out. Wild need to work on moving a contract out. and wonders if Drury is pulling a stealth move.

bax · 07-20-2021, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

on the July 20 edition of the 31 thoughts podcast, Friedman says it sounds like Calgary is out on Eichel

Major bummer, but I get it. I don’t think Treliving is willing to include Tkachuk.

TheIronMaiden · 07-20-2021, 08:05 AM

Damn.

Toonage · 07-20-2021, 08:13 AM

Minnesota cleared room, for this year I suppose. Rangers wouldn't surprise me but lets be honest. It'll be Vegas.

Bonded · 07-20-2021, 08:24 AM

Not surprising. It was Tkachuk or bust from our end I think and I'd be worried about his contract if I was the Sabres. Although will be very annoyed when he goes to Vegas for cheap.

dissentowner · 07-20-2021, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Toonage

Minnesota cleared room, for this year I suppose. Rangers wouldn't surprise me but lets be honest. It'll be Vegas.

I still think it will most likely be LA. When GM's say they are out that means nothing, it is a cat and mouse game.

Toonage · 07-20-2021, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

I still think it will most likely be LA. When GM's say they are out that means nothing, it is a cat and mouse game.

I had been saying the Kings for some time too. Byfield going the other way. Sort of gave up on it but this wouldn't shock me if L.A. is playing coy.

dissentowner · 07-20-2021, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Toonage

I had been saying the Kings for some time too. Byfield going the other way. Sort of gave up on it but this wouldn't shock me if L.A. is playing coy.

I don't think Byfield goes the other way, I think LA is being honest about that. They have enough other good young pieces to still get it done. Just seems like the perfect fit to me.

Ped · 07-20-2021, 08:52 AM

If you're trading for Eichel because you believe he is a #1 center, then you have to give up a guy who can potentially be a number one center in return - at least in this case.

stemit14 · 07-20-2021, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ped

If you're trading for Eichel because you believe he is a #1 center, then you have to give up a guy who can potentially be a number one center in return - at least in this case.

I think that’s the problem. When talking to LA they are probably demanding Byfield and when talking to Anaheim they are probably demanding Zegras. And I don’t think either of those teams are willing to give those guys up. And I don’t blame them. If our team had either of those players I definitely would not want to give them up for eichel with the injury concerns he has right now. Two years ago? Probably. But that’s a non-starter if I’m Anaheim of LA. Those guys both have the potential to be just as good or better than eichel within a year or 2. Not saying that will happen for sure but I see way too much potential in those young players to trade them for a guy with those kind of question marks.

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Ped · 07-20-2021, 09:13 AM

I think you're expecting a bit much from Byfield and Zegras if you're expecting them to be as good or better than Eichel in a year or two. Maybe down the road, but I doubt that quickly.

But the point remains; if you want to acquire Eichel, with the contract he has, it's because you're pretty sure that he is a number one center. The other two aren't yet and may not be. You're not getting Eichel to play him on the second line.

ricardodw · 07-20-2021, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

It kind of bugs me when Friedman says the Flames don't have enough interesting pieces to acquire Eichel, then he goes on to say Anaheim does.

Are pieces like 3rd OA, Zegras, Drysdale really more interesting that Tkachuk?
Personally, I don't think so. Matthew Tkachuk is only 23, yet has had 3 years of high production.

Anaheim, Minnesota and Vegas, with Boston, and the Rangers. Really, none of these terms have any players, that could conceivably be traded, who are better and younger than Tkachuk.

I almost wonder if Friedman thinks Tkachuk isn't on the table at all in terms of Eichel offers.

All the Duck pieces have cheap years associated with them. Tkachuk 9M QO is 1M less than Eichel's long term deal.

Is Buffalo going to be able to build better around Tkachuk?

Is going to Buffalo change Tkachuk's mind about getting to play St. L asap?

keenan87 · 07-20-2021, 09:21 AM

It would be awesome to get Eichel and see the matchup against McDavid in the BOA. If that won't hype him up to another gear, not sure what will.

Monahammer · 07-20-2021, 09:24 AM

Boo.

DeluxeMoustache · 07-20-2021, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by keenan87

It would be awesome to get Eichel and see the matchup against McDavid in the BOA. If that won't hype him up to another gear, not sure what will.

I don’t think the players honestly even care all that much about the BoA, for the most part

2 years with no fans and it’s diluted further. I highly doubt that you drop in a US born player and he gives much of a crap

Plus, you think he is sore about being drafted after McDavid? McDavid has scored 574 points or over 1.4 points per game, and Eichel has 355, playing under a point per game

Any rivalry is in fans’ heads more so than Eichel’s, unless Eichel is delusional