Sven "Fricken" Bartschi!

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Do you even watch hockey? Are you seriously debating that Chara and Thomas aren't superstars?

yep

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Rerun

yep

To which question? Because nobody of intelligence can answer yes to both.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by kehatch

To which question? Because nobody of intelligence can answer yes to both.

Yes I watch hockey. And yes neither of them are SUPERstars. Both have only been selected to play on the 1st NHL All star team only twice in there careers and both have been playing professional hockey for a long time.

Don't get me wrong. They're both stars.... just not superstars.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Yes I watch hockey. And yes neither of them are SUPERstars. Both have only been selected to play on the 1st NHL All star team only twice in there careers and both have been playing professional hockey for a long time.

Don't get me wrong. They're both stars.... just not superstars.

If Chara isn't a superstar then there aren'tsny teams that have superstars on them.

Maybe Pittsburgh is the only one. Detroit maybe.

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by moon

If Chara isn't a superstar then there aren'tsny teams that have superstars on them.

Maybe Pittsburgh is the only one. Detroit maybe.

I agree, there are lots of teams with no superstars on them. Probably more than half.

Chara is a star, but a superstar?

Tim Thomas, might be a "superstar" now, but arguably wasn't before the final.

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by Robbob

kind of feels like ground hog day with the oilers constantly being brought up. The facts are that you need to hit home runs on players after the first round. The oilers, imo, still have not proved that they can draft effectively. Having the first overall makes it pretty easy to draft a player that is decent. What differentiates championship teams from wannabe teams is the drafting record after the first round. Look at any of the cup winners and contenders and they all have players making a difference drafted well out of the top 10.

I know it maybe still be a bit early but Sven might be the first draft pick they may pan out in over 20 years. That is the fundamental problem with Calgary. Kipper and iginla in their prime really masked the problem. I am optimistic that between Sven, Reinhart, Ramage, Granlund, ferland, and the wonder kid from Boston college we can look back at this crop being the turning point on the beyond poor draft record.

Not to be too nit picky, but Phaneuf says hi.

Actually, he would probably say &$?@ you.

[ramizle]

Is this the Zdeno 'freakin' Chara thread?

[squirtle]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Your definition of a superstar and mine are obviously not the same. Sure they have each won a trophy... but lots of trophy winners were not superstars. I consider a superstar someone who has dominated the game his whole career and has been a game breaker for that career.

lol at "a trophy". No big deal.

[Badgers Nose]

Chara is definitely taller than Sven.

But Sven makes better chese and milk chocolate.

[kehatch]

A 'pretty good defenseman' with 'a trophy' is a 'pretty silly' statement.

* significant understatements in ''

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Sure the Bruins won with a goalie who was hot and a pretty good defenseman. Superstars though? Not in the usual sense. Their leading scorer that year had less than 70 pts

Originally Posted by kehatch

Yup. That Chara and Thomas don't rank as superstars. Vezina's and Norri's be damned.

Chara is pretty good and Thomas was just hot? Reality check says hello.

Hot goalies have problems too.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Knalus

Not to be too nit picky, but Phaneuf says hi.

Actually, he would probably say &$?@ you.

did he pan out though?

I think Phaneuf had the potential to really be something but he fell through the cracks. The shine on him really came off once he signed that second contract. Time may tell, but it looks like he has peaked in to a Bryan McCabe type instead of a potvin lite flames fan were praying for. It is early but in a few more years looking back it might be a good discussion whether or not he is a bust for a top 10 pick (could be wrong but I think he was 7th).

it is for another thread or discussion but another reason a top 10 pick means nothing if you don't execute.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Knalus

I agree, there are lots of teams with no superstars on them. Probably more than half.

Chara is a star, but a superstar?

Tim Thomas, might be a "superstar" now, but arguably wasn't before the final.

Who has been a better defenseman over the past 5 years? Lidstrom maybe.

If the best/2nd best defenseman in the league isn't a superstar I guess people have a tough definition of superstar.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by moon

Who has been a better defenseman over the past 5 years? Lidstrom maybe.

If the best/2nd best defenseman in the league isn't a superstar I guess people have a tough definition of superstar.

Lidstrom by far over Chara. Frankly it isn't even close. Lidstrom has been selected to the 1st Team All Stars 10 times... Chara twice.

And yes... I consider Lidstrom to be the only legitimate SUPERstar defenseman currently playing in the NHL. There are a lot of all star d-men playing but no other superstars.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Lidstrom by far over Chara. Frankly it isn't even close. Lidstrom has been selected to the 1st Team All Stars 10 times... Chara twice.

And yes... I consider Lidstrom to be the only legitimate SUPERstar defenseman currently playing in the NHL. There are a lot of all star d-men playing but no other superstars.

I think Chara matches Lidstrom over the past 5 years but yes Lidstrom has had the better career.

If that is your criteria for a Superstar then fair enough but considering how you limit it do much I don't think it does much for your original argument as I would think that star player would have a very limited criteria as well.

[Hockey_Ninja]

I'd personally like to thank Rerun for changing the thread topic into something that isn't even remotely related to it. You the man!

[Street Pharmacist]

What in Jeebus does Lidstrom or Chara have to do with Sven "Fricken" Baertschi?

[moon]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I'd personally like to thank Rerun for changing the thread topic into something that isn't even remotely related to it. You the man!

It's not horribly off course considering the comments have come in regards to how to build a team in a thread about a Flames prospect but I do understand frustration in looking for Sven info and seeing other discussions.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by moon

It's not horribly off course considering the comments have come in regards to how to build a team in a thread about a Flames prospect but I do understand frustration in looking for Sven info and seeing other discussions.

Whether Chara is considered a Superstar vs an allstar is indeed off course

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

What in Jeebus does Lidstrom or Chara have to do with Sven "Fricken" Baertschi?

It kind of got off course when someone said that you needed a couple of superstars in the lineup in order to win the cup and that just having Sven wasn't enough star power.. and I infered that Boston did it without superstars.... and it degenerated from there into a disagreement as to whether Chara and Thomas were "superstars"