The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[Canuck-Hater]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'm just trying to be respectful. I'm sorry if I'm being too self-righteous but are you trying to suggest that what Moneyhands23 posted is in any way anything more than a useless attack on Gulutzan as a person?



You do you. If Gulutzan doesn't switch up his defense in the next few games, I'll come with.



Care to provide any support for this unsubstantiated remark? I've provided many reasons in the past for my support of him. He's an indescribably superior option to the trainwreck that was the Bob Hartley Flames and the system, when it works, is far more effective. The "when it works" part is the critical part, and we need to see more consistency.

1. He can't figure out line matching
2. The special teams stink
3. Can't manage the game. Ex: putting out the 4th line out in the last 2 mins in a 1 goal game.
4. Refuses to shake up the D pairings when it's painfully obvious it's not working

[Stay Golden]

Stand by my thoughts on Gulutzan from the day he was hired. Massive promotion by the Flames brass essentially promoting a guy that at the time was the Canuck PK coach that absolutely suuuuucked. On a team that was one the bottom feeders in the league.
Yes this is the loser we want as our HC. Let's fire our HC and grab this dotard. Gulutzan is not a winner, he is a chump sticks to his scatter brain system roles out all 4 lines regardless of who the Flames play regardless of what is occurring in the game. Gulutzan is not vocal, is not a motivator, is not a tactician, he does not manage games well. I don't even consider him a NHL level HC. If the Flames were to fire him i doubt his next job would be as a NHL "head coach". Look at the bums Gulutzan has influenced Treliving to add Grossman, Vey, Lack, Glass. He loves giving Brouwer undeserved ice time on the PP and PK. I absolutely can't stomach seeing him and his dazed confused expression behind the bench.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

This is a good post.

Question I have is why the Flames hired a guy to learn on the job when they decided upon rebuilding.

Not the mention displacing a coach with a cup on his resume for an experiment

Because unlike the fans, the Flames think this team is several years away from being a real contender. So there is lots of time for everyone to develop into championship calibre - including the coach. I laugh every preseason when so many people here pick us to finish #1 in the Pacific.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by Corral

Because unlike the fans, the Flames think this team is several years away from being a real contender. So there is lots of time for everyone to develop into championship calibre - including the coach. I laugh every preseason when so many people here pick us to finish #1 in the Pacific.

So realistically how far do you think the Flames are being Championship Caliber?

We only have JG, SM for 4 more years. Do you really think they'll want to stick around a team that is floating between the WC and missing the dance.

The team is clearly in a win now position and GG is not doing the job. We don't have time to groom him into a top tier head coach if he's stuck in his ways.

[home_sweet_dome]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

I've been a defender of GG and don't have the energy tonight to wade into the debate tonight - but I find it odd that anyone would try to suggest the opinion that GG should be fired has caused someone to take a "lot of flak" from a "ton of posters".
It seems to me that overall the more commonly held opinion on here is against GG not in favor of him.
This is hardly a case of you having an opinion not shared by many others.on this forum.

You can believe what you want (or search thru my post history) but at the end of the day what matters is that GG is no good and can only hope the Flames move on from him quickly because this team will never achieve it's potential with him and his incompetent coaching staff running the show.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

So realistically how far do you think the Flames are being Championship Caliber?

We only have JG, SM for 4 more years. Do you really think they'll want to stick around a team that is floating between the WC and missing the dance.

The team is clearly in a win now position and GG is not doing the job. We don't have time to groom him into a top tier head coach if he's stuck in his ways.

I think once it was decided those two would be our top line, the plan is to seriously compete for the Cup in the final couple years of those contracts.

[Stay Golden]

Dammit i thought the thread said Flames fire Glen Gulutzan

[Dion]

We need a poll so we can send it to Treliving.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

First, I'm not a millennial.

Second, cool, I don't care if your opinion on Gulutzan as a coach is different than mine. But let's operate under an assumption of respect. The comment that Moneyhands23 provided didn't add anything of value to this conversation.

Millennial = Born between 1980 and 2000

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Corral

I think once it was decided those two would be our top line, the plan is to seriously compete for the Cup in the final couple years of those contracts.

Just so I understand correctly, you think the Flames traded a 1st and two seconds to get Travis Hamonic for 3 years so they can compete after his contract and Brodie's contract have expired and when Tkachuk is on his next contract and not on his cheap contract?

I think it is pretty clear that management thinks the team can and should compete this year. You do not give up your 1st and 2nd in a deep 2018 draft so that you can compete in 2021 when those picks will be playing on your team.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

When you have the perfect coach available for the type and style of game that the team should be playing for its personnel that is also a former 2X cup winner, it should make the staff a little uncomfortable.

Hopefully that option doesn't run out of time!

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Just so I understand correctly, you think the Flames traded a 1st and two seconds to get Travis Hamonic for 3 years so they can compete after his contract and Brodie's contract have expired and when Tkachuk is on his next contract and not on his cheap contract?

I think it is pretty clear that management thinks the team can and should compete this year. You do not give up your 1st and 2nd in a deep 2018 draft so that you can compete in 2021 when those picks will be playing on your team.

I'm led to believe Hamonic really wants to play in western Canada - so as long as things are going well here - he's not leaving after 3 years. Yes, Tkachuk is going to cost money during the championship years - all the more reason why the most important decisions to be made in the next couple seasons is to have a 3rd and 4th line that performs on the cheap. That's the current model for success around the NHL, and we are aiming for it.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Absolutely spot on. Gulutzan is probably average right now, but you don’t become Mike Babcock or Joel Quenneville over night. Take a look at the 2 premier head coaches first 2 full seasons behind the bench:

Babcock: 69-62-19-14 / Average of 85.5 Points per season.
Quenneville: 82-61-21 / Average of 92.5 points per season.

Now look at Gulutzan’s:
87-68-9 / Average of 91.5 points per season.

Glen has actually had a better start to his career than Mike Babcock and only 1 less point per season than Quenneville.

Gulutzan has his warts, but he’s still doing some on the job learning. Would probably be worthwhile to allow him to grow into the position, given he already has very solid early coaching career numbers.

You left out the most relevant Stat for GG, he is a. 500 coach in his second year coaching a team. Seems like he is on pace to continue that trend.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'm just trying to be respectful. I'm sorry if I'm being too self-righteous but are you trying to suggest that what Moneyhands23 posted is in any way anything more than a useless attack on Gulutzan as a person?

Sorry, I'm not taking a dig at you, I'm merely telling a joke and hopefully laughing with you? I know I need a joke or two to ease the pain after that horrible game or I'll have a sleepless night. And no, I did not see Moneyhands23 's post, I'm not able to see any of his post.

[Kybb79]

I witnessed first hand at the game tonight how terrible the D is playing. Way too much talent to be playing that way. BT went all in this season he better make a change to save his butt. GG is bringing this team down!

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Corral

I'm led to believe Hamonic really wants to play in western Canada - so as long as things are going well here - he's not leaving after 3 years. Yes, Tkachuk is going to cost money during the championship years - all the more reason why the most important decisions to be made in the next couple seasons is to have a 3rd and 4th line that performs on the cheap. That's the current model for success around the NHL, and we are aiming for it.

The Flames are built to win this year. They have cheap players on their 3rd line (the entire line, even if Jagr gets his bonuses comes in under 6 million, or about 8 percent of cap).

Why would a non-championship level team over the next 3 years be good enough to convince Hamonic to stay after that? This is a team that has 5 picks in the first 3 rounds over the next 3 years. This is a team that has given up 2 firsts and 4 seconds to get 2 dmen and you think the time they want to compete is when one of those dmen is already a UFA and the other one only has one year left on his contract? If that is the "plan" BT should be fired on the spot.

[combustiblefuel]

Bt mortgaged the farm for this team. If this group can not perform then it may be trouble down the road.

There could be a 4 to 5 year gap between nhl ready and Ahl players calibre only players.

He gave up alot for a very underwelming D crop and spent way to much on poor freeagent signings.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Flames are built to win this year. They have cheap players on their 3rd line (the entire line, even if Jagr gets his bonuses comes in under 6 million, or about 8 percent of cap).

Why would a non-championship level team over the next 3 years be good enough to convince Hamonic to stay after that? This is a team that has 5 picks in the first 3 rounds over the next 3 years. This is a team that has given up 2 firsts and 4 seconds to get 2 dmen and you think the time they want to compete is when one of those dmen is already a UFA and the other one only has one year left on his contract? If that is the "plan" BT should be fired on the spot.

Seriously we are not going from a non-playoff team in 2016 to the Stanley Cup in 2018 with this lineup. Nobody in the Flames brass believes this. It will take a few years.

You conveniently failed to mention the 4th line payroll.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

What bothered me most was GG talking about the last game against the 'Yotes as being "possibly the most complete game of the year" for the team. I didn't think it was anywhere even close to that. Decent. Maybe. Sloppy - in the first for sure. Better after that. But "most complete"? No.

If he thinks that was a good game, this one against Edmonton must look like a Picasso.

This bothered me too. Thats a low bar to set.
Your best game came against the 30th place team.
Your best games need to be against the top 10 teams .

Yes they beat a few of those teams earlier this year. They didn't beat them because of the skaters they iced . They won because Smith was lighta out and Backlumd was glued to Ovie and Sid.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

What bothered me most was GG talking about the last game against the 'Yotes as being "possibly the most complete game of the year" for the team. I didn't think it was anywhere even close to that. Decent. Maybe. Sloppy - in the first for sure. Better after that. But "most complete"? No.

If he thinks that was a good game, this one against Edmonton must look like a Picasso.

I think he should seriously consider doing what Daryl Sutter did back then, like not doing post game press. Things coming out of his mouth sounded more and more unintelligent.