Recall the UCP and other activist responses

[WideReceiver]

That’s not how they’re doing it. They’ll validate 20% of the signatures then extrapolate that across the full count. For example, if 5% of the sample are invalid, they’ll reduce the total by 5%.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

That’s not how they’re doing it. They’ll validate 20% of the signatures then extrapolate that across the full count. For example, if 5% of the sample are invalid, they’ll reduce the total by 5%.

90000 is still a ton! Even at 1 minute per that means a team of 10 working 150 hours (ie. 4 weeks).

It really depends on how rigorous they have to be. I think it could be as simple as typing the name into a master voting list and ticking it off if it matches. If it doesn't come up then spend a bit more time to investigate

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Having to validate the 456K signatures on the FC petition is no small task. Even if it only takes 2 minutes to review each signature, that is still 912,000 minutes or 15,200 manhours or 380 work weeks. But what if it takes 5 minutes to manually validate a signature against a government ID database? Now you need to do 38,000 manhours in a fairly short amount of time to let everyone know that the petition is good to go.

They are going to have to staff up a bunch of temporary workers for short term contracts.

But then they are potentially going to have to validate thousands and thousands of more signatures for all of the recall petitions... Elections Alberta wasn't built to be busy all of the time.

And knowing the UCP and their obsession with “security” they probably want some senior citizen to fill out a form containing the name and address of each signee by hand.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Point Blank

And knowing the UCP and their obsession with “security” they probably want some senior citizen to fill out a form containing the name and address of each signee by hand.

Hold on a minute. I want all my signatures to count. I signed the damn thing eleven times.

[Flames0910]

Cool so Elections Alberta asked for $13.5M to do the job they've been legislated to do, and the UCP said they can have $1.4M.

Essentially the UCP just defunded recalls. Scared government is scared.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Flames0910

Cool so Elections Alberta asked for $13.5M to do the job they've been legislated to do, and the UCP said they can have $1.4M.

Essentially the UCP just defunded recalls. Scared government is scared.

Can we start a GoFundMe?

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Having to validate the 456K signatures on the FC petition is no small task. Even if it only takes 2 minutes to review each signature, that is still 912,000 minutes or 15,200 manhours or 380 work weeks. But what if it takes 5 minutes to manually validate a signature against a government ID database? Now you need to do 38,000 manhours in a fairly short amount of time to let everyone know that the petition is good to go.

They are going to have to staff up a bunch of temporary workers for short term contracts.

But then they are potentially going to have to validate thousands and thousands of more signatures for all of the recall petitions... Elections Alberta wasn't built to be busy all of the time.

Hire all these unemployed youths !

15,200 man hours at $20 an hour is $300k! They are asking for 50x that !

38,000 is $750k, at least in thag scenario it’s only 20x!

No one can be serious asking for 13.5 million to validate signatures .

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Hire all these unemployed youths !

15,200 man hours at $20 an hour is $300k! They are asking for 50x that !

38,000 is $750k, at least in thag scenario it’s only 20x!

No one can be serious asking for 13.5 million to validate signatures .

He told the committee his current budget hadn’t accounted for recall petitions being approved and that seeing each application from start to finish would cost roughly $1 million.

https://globalnews.ca/news/11508617/...n-ucp-alberta/


The petition is just one part of the process. An article from 2015 says they cost $250k back then, for the by election part. Give there is a potential for up to 44 recall petitions at a cost, being conservative....of $500k, and that he mentions the need for more office space to manage it, it doesn't sound very unreasonable.


Let me ask, you seem pretty blown away by this. Did you give a flying #### about the roughly billion dollars we are handing over to coal companies because you voted for a ####ing moron? Does that bother you? Oh, no, just the bureaucrat asking for money to do his job. Typical.


If you don't like this, don't vote for ####ing idiots.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://globalnews.ca/news/11508617/...n-ucp-alberta/


The petition is just one part of the process. An article from 2015 says they cost $250k back then, for the by election part. Give there is a potential for up to 44 recall petitions at a cost, being conservative....of $500k, and that he mentions the need for more office space to manage it, it doesn't sound very unreasonable.


Let me ask, you seem pretty blown away by this. Did you give a flying #### about the roughly billion dollars we are handing over to coal companies because you voted for a ####ing moron? Does that bother you? Oh, no, just the bureaucrat asking for money to do his job. Typical.


If you don't like this, don't vote for ####ing idiots.

Yes waste is waste

I don’t play “team” games when I see completely unreasonable numbers

I also didn’t vote for them . But always good to see you start your morning early with one of your rants ! Always good to see people at their job bright and early !

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Yes waste is waste

I don’t play “team” games when I see completely unreasonable numbers

How do you know they are unreasonable? Have you seen the office space? Do you know how much room is needed to count all these, and the space for the staff to do it? Why don't you trust him?

This isn't partisan, this is factual based on the result of stupid #### by a stupid leader that stupid voters put in power. To see that your only concern is over the dollars(which are tiny potatoes when it comes to government waste-how much have we wasted on the war room?) that are needed to uphold the democratic rules your leader put in place, yet you don't care about real waste tells me all I need to know about the ability of your brain to function rationally and your ability to judge what are "completely unreasonable numbers" from a news story.

Maybe step back and suck in some perspective.

[Fuzz]

If waste is waste, where are all your objections to the other Danielle waste? I haven't seen you post once about any of those. Why is this the one that made you become a evening keyboard warrior defending the purse?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://globalnews.ca/news/11508617/...n-ucp-alberta/


The petition is just one part of the process. An article from 2015 says they cost $250k back then, for the by election part. Give there is a potential for up to 44 recall petitions at a cost, being conservative....of $500k, and that he mentions the need for more office space to manage it, it doesn't sound very unreasonable.


Let me ask, you seem pretty blown away by this. Did you give a flying #### about the roughly billion dollars we are handing over to coal companies because you voted for a ####ing moron? Does that bother you? Oh, no, just the bureaucrat asking for money to do his job. Typical.


If you don't like this, don't vote for ####ing idiots.

The breakdown of the funding request is $2.18M for the citizen initiative petitions (both the Forever Canada and the stop funding private schools petitions), $2.3M for recall petitions, $8.66M for referendum estimates (partial cost) and $0.37M for additional space.

[D as in David]

The internet has made us all experts in how much something should reasonably cost despite us not having the foggiest clue what would make up that something.

Source: The internet

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Yes waste is waste

I don’t play “team” games when I see completely unreasonable numbers

I also didn’t vote for them . But always good to see you start your morning early with one of your rants ! Always good to see people at their job bright and early !

Reasonable based on what? You clearly do not understand how to run or manage a business if you think $20/hour is their only expense.

Do you think these kids that you want to hire to count ballots are going to do so out of their parent's basement? "Uh, ya, I'll just take this box home with me and count it".

No, that is stupid.

They are going to need to hire professionals. Those professionals are going to need a workspace, desks, chairs, a computer with applications loaded on it. You need to pay for Facilities services, IT, Security, HR. If the people you hire are full-time (and it makes sense to hire some full time employees based on the long-term workload increase) then you will also need to provide benefits.

Elections Alberta is going to need to increase their storage space to hold the boxes and boxes and boxes of paper petitions that are being collected and delivered to them. I doubt they are allowed to use a generic storage locker either, they would need a secure building with everything from cameras to keycards.

Also, if their storage space is not directly attached to their workplace then they will need to have a costly process to move secure paperwork from one place to another.

They probably have other expenses that I have not thought of off the top of my head but the issue here isn't that you see waste, it is that you have no idea what is going on and decided to "form an opinion (based on nothing) and mouth off" before "asking questions and understanding".

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The breakdown of the funding request is $2.18M for the citizen initiative petitions (both the Forever Canada and the stop funding private schools petitions), $2.3M for recall petitions, $8.66M for referendum estimates (partial cost) and $0.37M for additional space.

Even that breakdown is conservative. There is another petition for referendum starting up in Red Deer to stop the transition from AISH to ADAP.

This government is doing so many things wrong that people are creating petitions left and right to try and get them to stop.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Flames0910

Cool so Elections Alberta asked for $13.5M to do the job they've been legislated to do, and the UCP said they can have $1.4M.

Essentially the UCP just defunded recalls. Scared government is scared.

Scared of what? Alberta voters? No Chance, Calagry won't turn on the UCP.

[Wolven]

Operation Total Recall is now showing 21 recalls in motion:

• 14 targeted - Meaning someone has stepped up to be the proponent for the petition (Step 1 in their process)
• 5 Initial Paperwork Submitted - Paperwork has been filed with $500 payment (Step 2)
• 1 Initial Paperwork Accepted - Paperwork has been accepted by Elections Alberta and is waiting for the Member statement before issuing the petition to start collecting signatures (Step 3)
• 1 Gathering signatures (Step 5)

[Torture]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

90000 is still a ton! Even at 1 minute per that means a team of 10 working 150 hours (ie. 4 weeks).

It really depends on how rigorous they have to be. I think it could be as simple as typing the name into a master voting list and ticking it off if it matches. If it doesn't come up then spend a bit more time to investigate

They have already said that they will validate by calling or emailing those that signed to verify their credentials and that they understood and support what they signed.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Torture

They have already said that they will validate by calling or emailing those that signed to verify their credentials and that they understood and support what they signed.

Really? I missed that. That sounds even more time consuming than checking them against a database.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Really? I missed that. That sounds even more time consuming than checking them against a database.

I should clarify - they're going to call and or email a sample of signatories, not everyone on the list.

Important: During the 60-day verification process, Elections Alberta staff will contact a sample of electors who have signed the petition to verify their information and signatures, using the contact information recorded on the petition signature sheets. Electors who have signed the petition are asked to be prepared to verify their information, as they may be contacted.

If a phone number was listed in the contact information, randomly selected electors will receive a text message from Elections Alberta indicating we will be calling to verify their information. Elections Alberta’s name will appear on the call display. There is no need to call or text us back.

If an email was listed in the contact information, randomly selected electors will receive an email from Elections Alberta with the information to be verified. Electors will respond by email with a yes if the information is correct, and no if the information is incorrect.

https://www.elections.ab.ca/citizen-...cation-begins/