My point was that we could have achieved the same point totals as last year while icing a substantially more entertaining team to watch.
Obviously I would not trade four players for four 7th round picks, but if we did I don't honestly think we would be losing much.
We had one entertaining season under Hartley, but otherwise the Flames have been so, so, so boring to watch.
Please at least be fun, Flames.
As for the 4tocktone players added to the roster... that would still be more talent than the new coach had to work with in Carolina.
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"We don't even know who our best player is yet. It could be any one of us at this point." - Peter LaFleur, player/coach, Average Joe's Gymnasium
I wonder who the next 'scoring winger' coming out of Stockton will be. I honestly don't know if we even have him in our system yet. Ferland was the last AHL winger to come up and make noise, although it took a while until he proved his scoring touch in the NHL, and that was mostly while playing in favorable situations.
I had really high hopes for Porier and Shinkaruk but I'm not optimistic anymore. I don't think most are expecting Klimchuk to light it up in the NHL level. Mangiapane looks promising but jury's out on whether he will be able to produce in the NHL. I don't have a handle on Foo yet, but from what I saw at the end of the season, he is my best bet to work his way up the depth chart on the wing.
Ducks might have to start a rebuild here. Would make sense if they wanted to retool on the fly and pick up some young and mobile defense which they seemed to be lacking this year. Maybe take of advantage while they are raw from a 1st round sweep.
D - Brodie (4.65 /3 years)
D - Fox
RW - Brouwer (4.5 mil/3 years)
RW - Foo
2020 2nd rd pick* Conditional
For
RW - Silverberg (2.75 mil/2 years)
RW - Perry (6.2 mil/4 years)(25% retained) or (8.25 mil/2 years, 4.12 mil/ 2 years) (50% retained in last 2 years)
*Conditon being Anaheim keeps the 2nd rnd pick if they choose to retain 50% in last 2 years. If not it's a 2020 3rd.
- Perry still has game.
- He's not a bum he just looks old playing on a stale, slow ducks team this year.
- Corey Perry is 32 years old.
- Troy Brouwer is 32 years old. I'm sure he'd waive his NTC to go to Anaheim.
Anaheim gets some cap flexibility and won't be anchored by Perrys contract. Anaheim gets two roster RWs, a left side d-man and a 20 year old prospect. Anaheim, as incentive, gets to keep Calgary's 2020 2nd round pick if they retain Perry's salary 50% two years down the road, saving cap for Tkachuk and Jankowski contracts.
Silverberg has wicked speed and a quick shot so play him on the 1st.
Gaudreau - Monahan - Silverberg
And honestly how terrifyingly insane would this line be..
Tkachuk - Backlund - Perry
Ferland makes the bottom 6 stronger than the top 6.
(????) - Jankowski - Ferland
Giordano - Hamilton
Skeji** - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone
Spoiler!
Bennett is a young guy under the microscope not doing so hot. Ship him out East so atleast he doesn't come back to bite top hard. Might as take advantage of the Ranger rebuild.
Rangers scoring was insanely low this year. Behind Zibanejad and Zuccarello, it's a drop off to 3rd/4th line players. So you get some potentials threats in Frolik and Bennett. I do think the value right across is fair, Flames get 2 RFAs that NYR maybe can't aford with 8 RFA roster players needing contracts next summer.
(And Idk play Belesky on the 4th, bury him in the minors?)
- Brady Skjei, 6"3 left handed D, averaged 21:02 toi and 25 points in 82 games as a 24 year old.
- Pavel Buchnevich, 6"2 and pretty quick for a big guy. 29 points as a rookie and might fit in well beside Jankowski.
- If you've seen the Rangers play you know these guys can play.
Lundquivst ***
Gilles/Rittich
Spoiler!
Flames trade to Buffalo:
- Smith
- Gilles/Rittich/Parsons (Pick one)
-2018 3rd pick
Sabres then trade to New York:
-Gilles, Rittich, or Parsons
-Lehner
-2018 3rd pick (Cgy or Buf)
Rangers trade to Calgary:
Lundquivst
My thinking behind this is if Buffalo wants to be a competitive team next year, and the Rangers are committing to a fill rebuild Lunquivst wants to chase a cup maybe.
Flames
In: Lundquivst
Out: Gilles, Rittich or Parsons, 3rd(2018 74 overall pick)+ M. Smith
Buffalo
In: M. Smith, 3rd(2018 74 overall pick)
Out: Gilles, Rittich, or Parsons, 3rd( 2018 63 overall pick)+ Lehner
Would love Silverberg but not at the expense of Fox and Foo while taking on a washed up Perry for another 3 years. Also Silverberg only has 1 year left on his contract($3.75m) before being a UFA
Ducks might have to start a rebuild here. Would make sense if they wanted to retool on the fly and pick up some young and mobile defense which they seemed to be lacking this year. Maybe take of advantage while they are raw from a 1st round sweep.
D - Brodie (4.65 /3 years)
D - Fox
RW - Brouwer (4.5 mil/3 years)
RW - Foo
2020 2nd rd pick* Conditional
For
RW - Silverberg (2.75 mil/2 years)
RW - Perry (6.2 mil/4 years)(25% retained) or (8.25 mil/2 years, 4.12 mil/ 2 years) (50% retained in last 2 years)
*Conditon being Anaheim keeps the 2nd rnd pick if they choose to retain 50% in last 2 years. If not it's a 2020 3rd.
- Perry still has game.
- He's not a bum he just looks old playing on a stale, slow ducks team this year.
- Corey Perry is 32 years old.
- Troy Brouwer is 32 years old. I'm sure he'd waive his NTC to go to Anaheim.
Anaheim gets some cap flexibility and won't be anchored by Perrys contract. Anaheim gets two roster RWs, a left side d-man and a 20 year old prospect. Anaheim, as incentive, gets to keep Calgary's 2020 2nd round pick if they retain Perry's salary 50% two years down the road, saving cap for Tkachuk and Jankowski contracts.
Silverberg has wicked speed and a quick shot so play him on the 1st.
Gaudreau - Monahan - Silverberg
And honestly how terrifyingly insane would this line be..
Tkachuk - Backlund - Perry
Ferland makes the bottom 6 stronger than the top 6.
(????) - Jankowski - Ferland
Giordano - Hamilton
Skeji** - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone
Spoiler!
Bennett is a young guy under the microscope not doing so hot. Ship him out East so atleast he doesn't come back to bite top hard. Might as take advantage of the Ranger rebuild.
Something around Brodie and Backlund to Buffalo for O'Reilly and McCabe
Something around Frolik to Dallas for Brett Ritchie
Something around Stone to Toronto for Kasperi Kapanen
Something around Brouwer (Cap Dump), Smith (starter needs to go other way), Jankowski, Gillies, Fox to Montreal for Carey Price
Add picks or prospects as needed to even out deals.
Sign Tavares 7 years $70 million
Sign Derek Ryan 2 years $3.6 million
1. Gaudreau - Tavares - Kapanen
2. Tkachuk - O'Reilly - Ritchie
3. Bennett - Monahan - Foo
4. Ferland - D. Ryan - Shore
Extra - Lazar, Hathaway
1. Giordano - Hamilton
2. McCabe - Hamonic
3. Valimaki - Andersson
Extra - Kulak
1. Price
2. Rittich
Cap - $75,770,476
I know, I know....it's a little too realistic. lol
Something around Brodie and Backlund to Buffalo for O'Reilly and McCabe
Something around Frolik to Dallas for Brett Ritchie
Something around Stone to Toronto for Kasperi Kapanen
Something around Brouwer (Cap Dump), Smith (starter needs to go other way), Jankowski, Gillies, Fox to Montreal for Carey Price
Add picks or prospects as needed to even out deals.
Sign Tavares 7 years $70 million
Sign Derek Ryan 2 years $3.6 million
1. Gaudreau - Tavares - Kapanen
2. Tkachuk - O'Reilly - Ritchie
3. Bennett - Monahan - Foo
4. Ferland - D. Ryan - Shore
Extra - Lazar, Hathaway
1. Giordano - Hamilton
2. McCabe - Hamonic
3. Valimaki - Andersson
Extra - Kulak
1. Price
2. Rittich
Cap - $75,770,476
I know, I know....it's a little too realistic. lol
Just on the Price contract alone, do not want. Really couldn't read beyond that cap hit and term for no doubt an elite goaltender, but he's been more injury prone the last several years.
What the Hab's have tied up in Price besides $84M just keeps getting uglier as it drags on, and on, and on.
Giordano Hamilton
Kulak Andersson
Stone Hamonic
Wotherspoon
no No NO
Never got this love for Kapanen. He certainly didnt light the world on fire last year. In my viewings he is a soft player. Rather hold onto Bennet than take that deal and all Grabner is is fast.
My point was that we could have achieved the same point totals as last year while icing a substantially more entertaining team to watch.
Obviously I would not trade four players for four 7th round picks, but if we did I don't honestly think we would be losing much.
We had one entertaining season under Hartley, but otherwise the Flames have been so, so, so boring to watch.
Please at least be fun, Flames.
As for the 4tocktone players added to the roster... that would still be more talent than the new coach had to work with in Carolina.
I think we would have been significantly worse. I don't think the Flames season was as bad as it looks. The nose dive at the end was a result of injuries/time off for our best players (Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Monahan, Brodie (to a lesser extent)) and I also think the team kind of gave up on GG at the end. That's not to say the season wasn't a disappointment, but I think if those injuries didn't happen and we finished out the season at around .500 (which I think is probably a fair estimate) instead of like.200 or whatever it was for that stretch, we'd be assessing our roster a bit differently. Kind of a recency bias, I would guess.
If Brouwer gets bought out this is what it will look like.
Troy Brouwer is 32 years old at the date of the buyout
Salary remaining: $9,000,000
The buyout ratio is 2/3, which results in a total buyout cost of $6,000,000
There are 2 years remaining on this contract
The buyout will be spread out over 4 years
The buyout cap hit is $1,500,000 over the next two seasons.
Coincidentally Mason Raymond's 1M cap hit ended this season.
Not going to disagree with Ricardo that we shouldn't expect 6 Stockton players graduating to the Flames this year. We're not looking to field an AHL team.
We should be extremely happy if 2 players graduate to full time roles IMO.
Given Foo's age, he is most likely. Everyone seems to believe ANdersson is on the cusp.
