Suicide Squad **Spoilers**

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Well the advertising campaign paid off as the movie broke records this weekend. In a way it kind of sucks that DC gets rewarded for not putting out great work but hype sells I guess.

As much of these movies have been iffy at best, I'm still open to the universe being created and that better stories can come out of it. It's all this rushing to cram everyone in ASAP that has things seeming kind of crappy, but they've committed to it so hopefully some of the solo work, and any future Justice League stuff will be better.

[polak]

It broke the August record but like BvsS it'll most likely have a massive drop off in the 2nd week. BvsS had the lowest opening day multiplier for any movie that ever opened above 100 Million and only grossed 300 million domestically. Thats a lot of money but definitely not what they were hoping for and you can most likely expect a similar result with Suicide Squad. Probably worse since this doesn't have the pull of Batman or Superman.

[speede5]

It wasn't horrible, I think they should have cast someone a little less known than Will Smith, I like the guy but I'm tired of seeing Will be Will.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by speede5

It wasn't horrible, I think they should have cast someone a little less known than Will Smith, I like the guy but I'm tired of seeing Will be Will.

Sassy black man?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by polak

It broke the August record but like BvsS it'll most likely have a massive drop off in the 2nd week. BvsS had the lowest opening day multiplier for any movie that ever opened above 100 Million and only grossed 300 million domestically. Thats a lot of money but definitely not what they were hoping for and you can most likely expect a similar result with Suicide Squad. Probably worse since this doesn't have the pull of Batman or Superman.

Budget for this movie was $175 million, which has already been broken in the first weekend with $268 worldwide box office.

I'm actually going to check this out now. The later reviews I'm getting from some of my friends who are actually into comics seem to be pretty good.

[polak]

Originally Posted by blankall

Budget for this movie was $175 million, which has already been broken in the first weekend with $268 worldwide box office.

I'm actually going to check this out now. The later reviews I'm getting from some of my friends who are actually into comics seem to be pretty good.

That's the production budget. The total break even cost is probably a lot higher than that. I read an article in Variety that said it'll have to hit $800 million world wide to be considered a success. Not out of the question but also far from a guarantee with such bad press. BvsS did it but it had Batman fighting Superman....

First result on google:

Cited as an industry “veteran” from the day of Squad’s premiere, THR’s source said, “The movie’s got to do $750 million, $800 million to break even. If they get anywhere close to that, they’ll consider it a win.”

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/s...-to-break-even

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I don't think it is all about up front money either. Lots of times the first movie sets the box office standard for the second one. I have to think people are only going to give DC so many chances before they finally give up and stop going.

Then again the transformers movies (among others) have been repeatedly bashed by critics and fans alike and yet keep making buckets of money, so who knows.

Zack Snyder needs to get far away from these movies.

I think Suicide Squad was lucky that people didn't have too many preconceived notions about the characters. One of the biggest complaints seems to be Leto's joker because he's one of the few characters people actually know. The rest are only really being dissected by fans. And even then Suicide Squad isn't that crazy popular. They have more in common with Guardians than they do with the Avengers in terms of widespread popularity.

[Senator Clay Davis]

The movie will make money, it's just when Warner/DC made these movies they were expecting a billion to be the worst case scenario for both. Obviously for all future DC endeavors a billion will be the best case scenario. They've basically squandered a chance to have a hugely successful universe and will have to settle for a marginally profitable one instead.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by polak

That's the production budget. The total break even cost is probably a lot higher than that. I read an article in Variety that said it'll have to hit $800 million world wide to be considered a success. Not out of the question but also far from a guarantee with such bad press. BvsS did it but it had Batman fighting Superman....

First result on google:



http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/s...-to-break-even

An anonymous industry veteran eh? Is he the the guy who supplies the Orange Julius guy with his intel......or is it the other way around?

Seriously, I know this movie spent a lot on marketing but over 4x the production budget to break even seems extreme. If that's standard very few movies ever break even. Plus that doesn't take into account DVD, merchandise, netflix, etc...

[polak]

Originally Posted by blankall

An anonymous industry veteran eh? Is he the the guy who supplies the Orange Julius guy with his intel......or is it the other way around?

Seriously, I know this movie spent a lot on marketing but over 4x the production budget to break even seems extreme. If that's standard very few movies ever break even. Plus that doesn't take into account DVD, merchandise, netflix, etc...

That's not the standard. This is a huge tentpole movie that was supposed launch a billion dollar franchise.

You posted the production budget. That's not necessarily how much ended up being spent on the project and doesn't account for marketing (which is huge(!) for tentpoles). They will probably make their money back when all is said and done but anything less than those big lofty numbers isn't the success they were hoping for and you have to realize they forecast their earnings to shareholders just like every other business.

[Tinordi]

This movie sounds terrible. If you keep paying to see terrible movies you're going to keep getting them. Time to be a little more discerning with how many empty calories are packed in your latest super hero movie.

In other words at least illegally download the badly reviewed ones. It's a victimless crime...

[Itse]

Went to see this on Friday. It was okay and had potential to be so much better, but it was just stylistically so all over the place. Liked Joker, El Diablo, Harley Quinn. The rest of the cast was pretty meh. Generally the film had too many characters and too much plot for one film. Everything felt rushed and messy, the movie just lacked focus.

Big part of a movie like this is the action. I thought it was okay, but had a distinct lack of cool or "looking real". IMO you should have at least one of those.

Silly is fine if it's cool. Less cool is fine if I buy into the fight. If it's neither... meh.

Kind of a terrible soundtrack. Not that the songs were bad in isolation, they just didn't fit the movie and felt dated and overused in it. Also the pop tunes didn't mesh at all with the rest of the soundtrack. The whole soundtrack felt very amateurish for a Hollywood production.

Visually I liked it. Style was a bit all over the place, but what ever. It was fun enough for me.

Originally Posted by speede5

It wasn't horrible, I think they should have cast someone a little less known than Will Smith, I like the guy but I'm tired of seeing Will be Will.

I felt Will Smith didn't fit the style of the movie at all. I have nothing against Will Smith either, but it's a movie that tried desperately to have some edge to it. Will Smith just doesn't have that.


So let's say 2/5. Perfectly adequate popcorn flick, but the next part better get much better reviews or I'm skipping it.

[Burninator]

I saw it this weekend. I thought it was a mess. Editing was bad, tone was all the over the place, most of the action was forgettable or nonsensical. Most of the humour was in the trailer. A bunch of the squad characters were bland and uninteresting. The plot was bad as well. The advantage of having an expendable group is so they can operate at arms length from the government and they can be blamed or erased if something goes wrong. But the city was under attack by a generic beam in the sky and they don't send Batman or the Flash? Lazy story making.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Itse

Went to see this on Friday. It was okay and had potential to be so much better, but it was just stylistically so all over the place. Liked Joker, El Diablo, Harley Quinn. The rest of the cast was pretty meh. Generally the film had too many characters and too much plot for one film. Everything felt rushed and messy, the movie just lacked focus.

Big part of a movie like this is the action. I thought it was okay, but had a distinct lack of cool or "looking real". IMO you should have at least one of those.

Silly is fine if it's cool. Less cool is fine if I buy into the fight. If it's neither... meh.

Kind of a terrible soundtrack. Not that the songs were bad in isolation, they just didn't fit the movie and felt dated and overused in it. Also the pop tunes didn't mesh at all with the rest of the soundtrack. The whole soundtrack felt very amateurish for a Hollywood production.

Visually I liked it. Style was a bit all over the place, but what ever. It was fun enough for me.



I felt Will Smith didn't fit the style of the movie at all. I have nothing against Will Smith either, but it's a movie that tried desperately to have some edge to it. Will Smith just doesn't have that.


So let's say 2/5. Perfectly adequate popcorn flick, but the next part better get much better reviews or I'm skipping it.

I'm still amazed that they didn't have Will Smith's son in the role of Harley

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by blankall

An anonymous industry veteran eh? Is he the the guy who supplies the Orange Julius guy with his intel......or is it the other way around?

Seriously, I know this movie spent a lot on marketing but over 4x the production budget to break even seems extreme. If that's standard very few movies ever break even. Plus that doesn't take into account DVD, merchandise, netflix, etc...

Remember the house keeps a big chunk of the box office. Generally 25% of first week and 50% thereafter. Not sure how it works in other countries. It will still make money I imagine.

[The Goon]

I saw it last night. It was a comic-book movie, so I enjoyed it well enough. There's lots that could be better, but with a bunch of C-and D-list characters I wasn't expecting a film for the ages.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Remember the house keeps a big chunk of the box office. Generally 25% of first week and 50% thereafter. Not sure how it works in other countries. It will still make money I imagine.

I realize that. It just seems odd that this movie needs to earn so many times more above the production budget to break even, compared with other movies. There was lots of marketing for this film, but it couldn't have been that extreme. Some anonymous insider declaring that this movie needs to take in $800 million to break even is hardly gospel.

[blankall]

Rewatched Watchmen last night. It's starting to become pretty apparent what the problem is for DC so far: Zach Snyder has too much control.

The Watchmen worked great, but the Watchmen is also a parody of comic books. It's a disjointed and dystopian story meant to show how comic book characters would actually work in a more realistic world. The violence is over the top, because it's meant to show how absurd the idea of a comic book good guy is. If you had someone with superpowers or extreme martial arts knowledge punching bad guys it would be a gory blood bath. Batman and Superman's costume would be drenched in blood after every fight.

I was also wondering if Zach Snyder, despite putting a great portrayal of the Watchmen on screen, really got the subject matter. Did he understand that when the Night Owl snaps someone's arm or when Dr. Mahattan vaporizes an enemy that was supposed to be parody of the light-hearted way comic book movies were treating battles? He seems to be just applying the same methods to non-parody comic book material as if he doesn't.

[Tinordi]

I think it's abundantly clear that Snyder has very little understanding of his source material and is interested in comic books movies because of they provide a backdrop for him to explore and play with striking visuals.

[Since1984]

I saw it last night and I found it to be much better than Batman V Superman but still DC needs to pick it up. I enjoyed as a simple popcorn action/comic book movie. Yes it has its issues but it isn't the worst movie I have seen in awhile.