Canada Post likely will be locked out/on strike - July 2

[burnin_vernon]

Originally Posted by transplant99

what are you talking about?

It is a crown corporation.

If I'm wrong and I apologize but I would like you to direct me to who does own it and finance it.

A Crown Corp is a weird mix of a federal agency and a private corp. The point is they are self-sufficient and operate on a profit.

It is only funded by those who use its service.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by burnin_vernon

A Crown Corp is a weird mix of a federal agency and a private corp. The point is they are self-sufficient and operate on a profit.

It is only funded by those who use its service.

they may have a profit the last 2 years but for the previous 3 years they ran a deficit totalling well over 400 million dollars...someone paid that. Who do you think it was?

If they werent bailed out they would no longer be an entity. They are most definately still government controlled as their mandate comes from parliament when all is said and done.

In the 70's/80's they used to run deficits in the 100's of millions all the time...and guess who paid for that? Now it was still an essential service at that time so it was more about streamlining and getting the fat out than anything. That is not the case anymore however.

[burnin_vernon]

Originally Posted by transplant99

they may have a profit the last 2 years but for the previous 3 years they ran a deficit totalling well over 400 million dollars...someone paid that. Who do you think it was?

Where did you get those numbers? Their only loss was in 2011 (due to a lockout and a pay equity lawsuit from years ago, not operations) and 2013. They've been profitable for 18 of the last 19 years.

[burnin_vernon]

Originally Posted by transplant99

In the 70's/80's they used to run deficits in the 100's of millions all the time...and guess who paid for that? Now it was still an essential service at that time so it was more about streamlining and getting the fat out than anything. That is not the case anymore however.

Canada Post wasn't a Crown Corp until 1981

[4X4]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Ultimately the goal of any business is fire all their staff and have the whole process automated, at some point in time someone at head office will work out that they save more money by not taking cash and not having any front line staff, that the world is cashless enough that they won't lose that much business.

I utterly refuse to use self checkouts because I know I'm slowly screwing over every kid that needs a starter job if I add to the impetus to close down gas jockeys or checkout girls. Sadly it's pointless and we are slowly moving to a society of 99 percent on welfare and one percent living like roman emperors but I'm not going to help that process.

You could say this about so many jobs that went the way of the dodo. Elevator operators, typewriter mechanics, stagecoach drivers.
I know you have a thing for youth, because you help them, so I understand your way of doing your bit, but this thread is kind of funny to me. First of all, (iggy oi), don't be worried about losing jobs at McDonalds. Just like CSW pointed out, where one job is lost, another opens up. But secondly, and more importantly, if you really value your job at Canada Post, you have to realize that they have to keep up with the times, or else the really do become irrelevant, and that just leads to bankruptcy, and it means no more job at all, for any of you.

I'm not necessarily saying that whatever their plans are, are perfect. But you kind of ruined your credibility on the matter when you complained that McDonalds is using computers and taking away jobs form people. If you really think that that mentality keeps people employed, well, you're wrong.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by 4X4

You could say this about so many jobs that went the way of the dodo. Elevator operators, typewriter mechanics, stagecoach drivers.
I know you have a thing for youth, because you help them, so I understand your way of doing your bit, but this thread is kind of funny to me. First of all, (iggy oi), don't be worried about losing jobs at McDonalds. Just like CSW pointed out, where one job is lost, another opens up. But secondly, and more importantly, if you really value your job at Canada Post, you have to realize that they have to keep up with the times, or else the really do become irrelevant, and that just leads to bankruptcy, and it means no more job at all, for any of you.

I'm not necessarily saying that whatever their plans are, are perfect. But you kind of ruined your credibility on the matter when you complained that McDonalds is using computers and taking away jobs form people. If you really think that that mentality keeps people employed, well, you're wrong.

Just wanted to clarify, I don't work for Canada post, with how you phrased one sentence I couldn't tell if you were implying that or not. Besides that, Canada post and their workers have proven themselves relevant by being a profitable business.

As far as the macdonalds machines creating jobs, give your head a shake man, sure someone at one time may design the machine, and then someone may make the machine, but if you think it will create the amount of actual man hours worked by an actual person, and balance out the negative impact it will have on local economies these machines are used in that's really just non sense.

[Dan02]

ITT we learned that Iggy_oi has a very odd view of construction sites.

[calgarygeologist]

The CUPW is apparently a huge proponent of expanding Canada Post into the banking industry. That seems like a terrible idea. Sure the banks in Canada have been a profit machine for quite a while but I just can't see a CP bank working efficiently and effectively. I think banking at the post office would be a painful process.

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The CUPW is apparently a huge proponent of expanding Canada Post into the banking industry. That seems like a terrible idea. Sure the banks in Canada have been a profit machine for quite a while but I just can't see a CP bank working efficiently and effectively. I think banking at the post office would be a painful process.

'Oh yes, we have your money, it shows that its on one of our trucks right now. It will probably be there later today, or maybe tomorrow.'

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

How much are they burdening them? I'm not saying it isn't happening, I've just never seen the numbers, in any case we shouldn't be holding the union responsible for this, the onus is on the people who gave them that deal without any consideration for any future complications. I wouldn't give up my retirement fund, which I likely gave up something to get in the first place, because of someone else's mistake.

No, you don't get to have it both ways. You don't get to claim that the employer is "bullying" that poor, downtrodden union by not wanting to cave to demands, then say the union is blameless if it does. That is nothing but self-serving hypocrisy.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by Dan02

ITT we learned that Iggy_oi has a very odd view of construction sites.

No kidding, any job/construction site I have been on there is a concerted effort to drive down the indirects like general labour.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Most construction labourers start at minimum $20/hour and it goes up from there.

Edit: also I'm not sure where you are getting your facts from, construction labourers can be expected to work 12 hours a day to meet deadlines, lots of ot for them

They aren't facts but anecdotes, I've worked construction for the better part of a decade in Calgary. Of course there's exceptions to OT and those are few and far between, however I would have a hard time believing a labourer would make even $30 an hour topped out, as that would put them on a similar pay scale to a 4th year electrician/plumber apprentice.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Dan02

ITT we learned that Iggy_oi has a very odd view of construction sites.

Originally Posted by Boblobla

No kidding, any job/construction site I have been on there is a concerted effort to drive down the indirects like general labour.

I'm going off of what friends of mine who work as construction labourers have told me, and of course companies attempt to drive down indirect costs, but the reality is they are not always successful.

Here's one general construction labourer collective agreement for those who are interested in seeing what some unskilled workers get as compensation.

https://clra.org/assets/page/files/a...5-04-30rev.pdf

[RougeUnderoos]

I was once a sort of "fringe" employee of CP (I was a summer student and not a full union member) and the laziness and entitlement of some of those people was truly unbelievable. And this is coming from a lazy, entitled person!

People would literally sleep on the job, and they wouldn't try to hide it. Many, many people had full-time jobs that should have been called part-time jobs. That's not an exaggeration -- their jobs would take them four hours a day and they would go home and get paid for eight hours. They didn't try to hide that either. There was one guy who was so incompetent he literally didn't have to do anything but sit in his office and, I don't know, twiddle his thumbs and read the paper. It was a running joke. Everybody knew he didn't do anything and wasn't capable of doing anything, but he'd been in the union so long there was no way he was going anywhere.

That was a long time ago. Maybe things have changed. I'm generally a pro-union person, but I'd rather not pay people to sleep in a truck or literally have no responsibilities.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Again though the biggest problem is the government should NOT be in the business of competing with private industry. It's insane and counter productive.

I will agree that in some instances maybe CP should still be around to service areas that may not be reachable by other for profit companies, but beyond that they dont deserve any special treatment over and above what the private sector has to deal with.

They should rid themselves of their profitable business, so that they can focus on losing money on unprofitable routes? You should be writing business textbooks instead of wasting your time here.

[Reaper]

[Checks ebay estimated delivery date via Canada Post: July 3]

"Damnit."

[Dion]

Canada Post workers could be off the job next week

Canada Post is not optimistic the two sides can resolve their differences and avoid job action.

“If there is a large scale strike by the union, the postal system would have to shutdown,” says John Hamilton with Canada Post. “If that happens, no mail or parcels are being accepted or delivered and everything in the system stays there until we are in a position to deliver that.”

It says if you need something delivered try to get it in the mail by Wednesday.

Many organizations that rely on the mail are also making contingency plans by encouraging electronic billing and payment and relying on couriers.

Courier companies like Fedex and Purolator say their shipments are up because of the strike talk and have plans in place to deal with it.

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/canada-pos...week-1.2965706

[Locke]

I hope this is what it takes for Revenue Canada to really kick their online submission service into high gear. It works okay for right now but it could be better.

[mrkajz44]

I just sent off some tax forms yesterday for foreign reporting and had to use a courier because I was worried about the upcoming strike. Was just thinking the same thing about the CRA expanding what can be filed electronically.

[puckedoff]

Each time they strike, everyone we do business with re-evaluates electronic payments, statements etc. Its good for everyone because those alternatives typically are cheaper than Canada Post.