The ASG remains as silly and meaningless without Scott as it would have with. Though my personal interest in watching it has dropped to zero.
But even you should be capable of realizing there is a difference between the game itself, and the very real belief that the NHL engineered this to take away a player the fans themselves voted in. It speaks to the duplicity of NHL management and a decided lack of integrity.
Hahaha. "We tried to ruin something and made a joke out of something other people like and called people cry babies who didn't like it. Now things aren't going our way and it's an outrage!"
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How would it have created new fans? It was done as a joke. Once the joke is over theres nothing left.
Agreed there. John Scott in the ASG would create as many new fans as anything else about the ASG would, which is to say: none. And the NHL orchestrating a move to allow it to get out from under its "we'll accept anyone who is voted in" comments likewise will not cost any fans.
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So you think the NHLPA will demand that the NHL amend the CBA so that anyone named to the all star game cannot be traded/demoted until after the game?
Admittedly I don't know since practically that seems an unlikely occurrence, and drives away from my main concern. But a hypothetical would be if Patrick Kane got traded tomorrow to the Sabres... are we really going to tell fans that he can't go anymore because, well, conferences! I think it fair to say in such a circumstance, the NHL wouldn't hold that standard.
My main concern here is that the league and/or owners are solving this "problem" by colluding together. Montreal has no interest in Scott, and given how awful a player he is, there is no way that Arizona would hold up a potential trade on the condition the other team take Scott. In effect, they used this opportunity to additionally "solve" this specific issue.
As an association for the players, the NHLPA is there to balance the league's cartel power. Absent extraordinary legal matters, they need to protect the rights of all the players regardless of player quality or importance to the league.
I won't claim that Scott is going to the ASG based on pure ability, nor do I think a Scott-less ASG is a disappointment. But if he's a member of the NHLPA, then his rights have to be defended against moves by owners that are designed to circumvent / prevent specific outcomes.
I don't want Scott at the all star game but the way the NHL has handled it is pretty terrible as well. This has to be pretty bad situation for Scott as he's made plans to be there. Maybe they should have tried to buy him off.
Admittedly I don't know since practically that seems an unlikely occurrence, and drives away from my main concern. But a hypothetical would be if Patrick Kane got traded tomorrow to the Sabres... are we really going to tell fans that he can't go anymore because, well, conferences! I think it fair to say in such a circumstance, the NHL wouldn't hold that standard.
In terms of trades, the NHL has in the past allowed traded players to play on their original All-Star teams. Last happened with Sandis Ozolinsh in 2003, iirc.
As far as the potential for a grievance, I think the only way the NHLPA could launch one is if they had evidence that the league or the Coyotes engineered/orchestrated the trade specifically to bury Scott in the AHL as punishment for his refusal to step aside from the ASG. But they would need something more than hearsay and speculation.
someone please explain to me how John Scott is the gateway drug for new fans to become lifelong followers of the NHL? what does he do that provides any sort of glimpse into what you're getting into when you actually watch the real games?
someone please explain to me how John Scott is the gateway drug for new fans to become lifelong followers of the NHL? what does he do that provides any sort of glimpse into what you're getting into when you actually watch the real games?
It's simple. In the future, the NHL will get rid of coaches entirely. All line combinations will be voted on by a poll of 4chan users and their bots.
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Heres a scenario. Someone watches the ASG cause they want to see Scott. But then see Gaudreau and Ovechkin rip it up and like them too. They would have never have seen Gaudreau if not for the Scott story
Its doenst matter how the eyes got there. New fans are new fans for various reason.
In the tennis thread we educate new fans. I dont understand turning away fans cause its not the type of fan we want.
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Who the hell is tuning into the All Star game to view Scott?
Let's not make up extreme scenarios. The only ones doing that are already NHL fans just to see the oddity. They'll watch for 2 minutes, the fun will be over, then move on.
The idea that a new fan will be created because of a goon playing in the all star game is ludicrous.
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It's kind of hilarious that the people who voted for Scott, or supported the process of him getting voted in, ran with the "who cares, it's a silly all star game, it's garbage anyway" retort. And now those same people are outraged that he won't be going.
I would've liked to see him in the game, but I'm not outraged.
It's still a silly all-star game, but it sounds like he was really excited to go and had that chance taken away from him even though the league was supposed to honour it. I don't blame others for being upset for that reason. If someone won the chance to go to somewhere stupid like Disneyland, was super excited for it, but had it taken away by the people who organized the opportunity, I'd kinda feel bad for them.
If people are upset it's more likely for that reason, not that he won't be a silly all-star.
Sure, John Scott is not a talented NHL player. He is a fringe player that fans decided would be hilarious to vote in. However, that was the process that the NHL uses in order to select players for the NHL All-Star game.
To try and dissuade Scott from attending the game is so hypocritical in my opinion, when there are legitimate NHL stars that don't want to go but that the NHL forces to attend.
I just feel sorry for Scott. It would have been a memorable experience for him - and probably a memorable experience for the fans (good or bad). He got voted in - it doesn't matter if it was 'real fans' or 'trolls who don't watch the NHL'. He was voted in through the NHL's process - the same process they enforce players to attend.
If the NHL wants to pick and choose which players should or shouldn't attend, then they should have just not had a fan vote and conducted a different process.
It makes this whole thing an even bigger farce than it normally is. Sure, lots of people are happy that a no-talent scrub goon is no longer attending, but that isn't the point in my eye. The point is the NHL is being so transparently hypocritical and has embarrassed themselves in how they handled this situation.
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The only reason I was gonna watch the abortion that is the All Star game was for the novelty of Scott being there. I now no longer care about the game and will not watch. And I know i'm one of many many people who think the same thing.
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If I read online about some campaign to vote in some horrible football player I had never heard of for some football team I had never heard of I would not bother to vote.
If people don't care about the sport they wouldn't bother to "troll" the NHL. These were fans who took advantage of the stupid voting system created by the NHL because it would have been fun to see Scott out there on a 3-on-3 with real All-Stars.
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Heres a scenario. Someone watches the ASG cause they want to see Scott. But then see Gaudreau and Ovechkin rip it up and like them too. They would have never have seen Gaudreau if not for the Scott story
Its doenst matter how the eyes got there. New fans are new fans for various reason.
In the tennis thread we educate new fans. I dont understand turning away fans cause its not the type of fan we want.
Here's another scenario, but this time John Scott is at the game. "Fans" who voted him in watch the game. They see Gaudreau and Ovechkin rip it up.
Then they see John Scott. A towering bruiser who is being skated circles around the other all-stars.
They laugh and exclaim "I can't believe that this guy is an all-star! What a joke of a league!", and never watch another hockey game again.
The "fans" that voted Scott were never going to stick. They are just trolls that wanted to see what havoc they could cause.
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If I read online about some campaign to vote in some horrible football player I had never heard of for some football team I had never heard of I would not bother to vote.
If people don't care about the sport they wouldn't bother to "troll" the NHL. These were fans who took advantage of the stupid voting system created by the NHL because it would have been fun to see Scott out there on a 3-on-3 with real All-Stars.
Agreed. I don't really get the argument that trolling non-fans are a huge part of this.
Non-fans wouldn't go out of their way to do this. If there are, it's an extremely insignificant amount. Or maybe I'm just underestimating how dim people are.
