02-17-2015, 05:36 PM
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#121
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Robbob
So how much do advanced stats start to play in this argument? Do people start to look at those?
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Hard to say. I believe the PHWA votes for the award, so the only ones advanced stats will matter to are either the ones who already believe in them (such as Mirtle) or who are willing to listen to those who do.
Gio has two big advantages over Weber this year: First, hype factor. Everyone is talking about his season, and even The Hockey News has a big story about him in this month's issue, with the headline focusing on his Norris potential.
Second, one doesn't need advanced stats to see that Gio has a hell of a lot less to work with than Weber does. Playing on such a deep team might hurt Weber's chances on the vote.
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02-17-2015, 06:26 PM
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#122
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Resolute 14
Hard to say. I believe the PHWA votes for the award, so the only ones advanced stats will matter to are either the ones who already believe in them (such as Mirtle) or who are willing to listen to those who do.
Gio has two big advantages over Weber this year: First, hype factor. Everyone is talking about his season, and even The Hockey News has a big story about him in this month's issue, with the headline focusing on his Norris potential.
Second, one doesn't need advanced stats to see that Gio has a hell of a lot less to work with than Weber does. Playing on such a deep team might hurt Weber's chances on the vote.
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When Gio/Weber win the Norris, the other guy should get the Hart.
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02-17-2015, 06:48 PM
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#123
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
When Gio/Weber win the Norris, the other guy should get the Hart.
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well, Weber isnt even the most vavaluable player on his team. tough for him to beat out s guy like Price or Tavares at this point IMO
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02-17-2015, 06:49 PM
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#124
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: NB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DropIt
well, Weber isnt even the most vavaluable player on his team. tough for him to beat out s guy like Price or Tavares at this point IMO
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Tavares? No. He's had a disappointing year so far by his standards.
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02-17-2015, 08:36 PM
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#125
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2012
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You could argue Rinne and Price should both be nominated for the Veniza and Hart. Rinne is 14-1-1 in his last 16 starts. Finland is just ridiculous with the goaltending.
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02-17-2015, 08:59 PM
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#126
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce
If Flames make playoffs, Gio wins Norris.
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Me like hockey...??
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02-17-2015, 10:06 PM
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#127
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Giordano has to be the favourite for the Norris.
-He was a top defender last season and broke the top-10 for Norris trophy voting.
-He's led defensive point scoring all year long.
-He plays top minutes.
-He was in the All-Star game.
-He's captain of his team.
-He's the team MVP.
People took some notice of him last season, this year, he should basically be the shoe-in if the season ended today.
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02-17-2015, 10:29 PM
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#128
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Could Care Less
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Yes.
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02-17-2015, 11:00 PM
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#129
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by thymebalm
Giordano has to be the favourite for the Norris.
-He was a top defender last season and broke the top-10 for Norris trophy voting.
-He's led defensive point scoring all year long.
-He plays top minutes.
-He was in the All-Star game.
-He's captain of his team.
-He's the team MVP.
People took some notice of him last season, this year, he should basically be the shoe-in if the season ended today.
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The very same can be said for Weber for most of these points. In my opinion its going to be very close between the two
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02-18-2015, 05:32 AM
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#130
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Location: Chicago
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke
Me like hockey...??
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Well I could have made it 1500 words instead of 10.... But it needs no more insight than that simple statement. It doesn't matter what else happens. The Preds can win the Presidents trophy and it doesn't matter. I just generally prefer to say less instead of more. Post length does not necessarily equate to quality.
If the Flames make the playoffs, Giordano wins the Norris.
There... Did I take up enough board space for a pass?
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02-18-2015, 06:03 AM
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#131
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That is a lot less than 1500 words.
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02-18-2015, 07:48 AM
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#132
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First Line Centre
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Either Weber or Gio. If Flames make the playoffs Gio should win the Hart to.
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02-18-2015, 08:04 AM
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#133
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Location: Chicago
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Quote:
Originally Posted by locsofblu
Either Weber or Gio. If Flames make the playoffs Gio should win the Hart to.
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The Hart has already been won by Carey Price.
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02-18-2015, 08:16 AM
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#134
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles
Tavares? No. He's had a disappointing year so far by his standards.
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PPG is not dissapointing by anyone's standards. He is 5 points bavk of the NHL lead 63 points so i dont see why he wouldn't be considered, especially if you have seen much of his impact on the Islanders
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02-18-2015, 08:50 AM
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#135
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A Fiddler Crab
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Goalies should not ever win the Hart, and Price has not been better enough than Rinne to be a clear cut Hart winner.
Flames make the playoffs, Gio should win the Hart trophy.
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02-18-2015, 08:55 AM
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#136
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Quote:
Originally Posted by driveway
Goalies should not ever win the Hart, and Price has not been better enough than Rinne to be a clear cut Hart winner.
Flames make the playoffs, Gio should win the Hart trophy.
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Rinne has been real good, but Carey is the best player in the league. Even Barry Trotz thinks so. He said as much in an interview yesterday
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02-18-2015, 08:57 AM
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#137
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Quote:
Originally Posted by driveway
Goalies should not ever win the Hart, and Price has not been better enough than Rinne to be a clear cut Hart winner.
Flames make the playoffs, Gio should win the Hart trophy.
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Why shouldn't goalies win the Hart? Better than the highest scoring forward on a stacked team.
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02-18-2015, 08:57 AM
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#138
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Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Chicago
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Quote:
Originally Posted by driveway
Goalies should not ever win the Hart, and Price has not been better enough than Rinne to be a clear cut Hart winner.
Flames make the playoffs, Gio should win the Hart trophy.
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Rinne could win Vezina over Price, absolutely, but the Preds are a great team with or without him.
I doubt the Habs would be in the playoffs in the East were it not for Price, nevermind leading the conference.
Saying goalies shouldn't win Hart is equals saying defencemen shouldn't either.
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02-18-2015, 09:00 AM
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#139
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Bit of an aside but that Rinne and Price battle is ridiculous this year.
Rinne: 34-7-2
Price: 32-11-2
Rinne: 1.94 GAA
Price: 1.93 GAA
Rinne: .932 Save Percentage
Price: .935 Save Percentage
Both have their teams in first place in their respective conferences. In a year with no dominant forward you could really have those two as both Hart and Vezina finalists.
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02-18-2015, 09:02 AM
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#140
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by driveway
Goalies should not ever win the Hart, and Price has not been better enough than Rinne to be a clear cut Hart winner.
Flames make the playoffs, Gio should win the Hart trophy.
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Yeah but he plays for Montreal.
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