2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by CanucksWorstNightmare

Five potential trade destinations for Penguins star Phil Kessel with Calgary being one of them.Not sure that I like the idea.I feel Pittsburgh prob got the best out of Kessel and his motivational level would be low moving forward.Skill is there though.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...r-phil-kessel/

I would love Kessel on this team, but Pittsburgh better be in for a piss poor return if that is the case. As usual, I use Fox+ as the basis. They need to know that they are not going to receive a player as good or almost as good as Kessel in a trade like this. They are going to have to retool and accept the fact that they are not going to get a good return on this player wherever they trade him.



They mention Brodie in the article, and I wouldn't be opposed to trading Brodie and signing a 1-2 deal UFA for a LD.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I would love Kessel on this team, but Pittsburgh better be in for a piss poor return if that is the case. As usual, I use Fox+ as the basis. They need to know that they are not going to receive a player as good or almost as good as Kessel in a trade like this. They are going to have to retool and accept the fact that they are not going to get a good return on this player wherever they trade him.

Someone will offer a reasonable amount for a 90 point forward who can be a difference maker.

[Toonage]

Won't need to sign a UFA LD. Have Valimaki & Kylington (and Kulak) right there to step into Brodie's spot or the 5 spot

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Someone will offer a reasonable amount for a 90 point forward who can be a difference maker.

He's not a 90 point forward, he just had 90 points for the first time in his career, and probably for the last time in his career too. He's 30. Saying someone is a 90 point forward when he's done it only once in an 11 year career is misleading and inaccurate.

Not only that, but if the guy wants to really limit where Pittsburgh can trade him, he can. An 8 team list of acceptable trade destinations can be shaved down to 1 or 2 teams easily if he puts the right teams on the list. That's what he did to TO when they wanted to trade him, and they were forced to retain salary on him and still basically returned only the equivalent of two late 1st rounds picks as a result. (Kapanen was a late 1st the year prior, plus Pitts 2016 1st which was guaranteed to be a late one as well).

After saying all that though, I would take Phil Kessel for 4 more years without question. I just wouldn't give up the farm for him, or any of our young core players.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He's not a 90 point forward, he just had 90 points for the first time in his career, and probably for the last time in his career too. He's 30. Saying someone is a 90 point forward when he's done it only once in an 11 year career is misleading and inaccurate.

Not only that, but if the guy wants to really limit where Pittsburgh can trade him, he can. An 8 team list of acceptable trade destinations can be shaved down to 1 or 2 teams easily if he puts the right teams on the list. That's what he did to TO when they wanted to trade him, and they were forced to retain salary on him and still basically returned only the equivalent of two late 1st rounds picks as a result. (Kapanen was a late 1st the year prior, plus Pitts 2016 1st which was guaranteed to be a late one as well).

After saying all that though, I would take Phil Kessel for 4 more years without question. I just wouldn't give up the farm for him, or any of our young core players.

That's the problem, Calgary is already out of the running. Can't spare the draft picks and young players that such a trade would require. I can't even imagine a 1st+Fox would get it done. Nice to imagine though, he would be a great fit on a second scoring line that he anchors, and he would be a boon on the PP.

It's going to be very interesting to see how Treliving patches up the holes in the roster with a the current lack of expendable assets in the organization. It's basically Bennett, Brodie, Stone and one of the big 4 D prospects as bait, which isn't all that sexy from the other team's POV. Hamilton could be traded, but I'm not as convinced of his extraordinary trade value as some are. I think you'd be robbing Peter to pay Paul if you traded Hamilton, whereas Brodie and Bennett can be replaced via UFA/trade/internally based on what they've done the last two years, granted both have potential to be better.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He's not a 90 point forward, he just had 90 points for the first time in his career, and probably for the last time in his career too. He's 30. Saying someone is a 90 point forward when he's done it only once in an 11 year career is misleading and inaccurate.

Not only that, but if the guy wants to really limit where Pittsburgh can trade him, he can. An 8 team list of acceptable trade destinations can be shaved down to 1 or 2 teams easily if he puts the right teams on the list. That's what he did to TO when they wanted to trade him, and they were forced to retain salary on him and still basically returned only the equivalent of two late 1st rounds picks as a result. (Kapanen was a late 1st the year prior, plus Pitts 2016 1st which was guaranteed to be a late one as well).

After saying all that though, I would take Phil Kessel for 4 more years without question. I just wouldn't give up the farm for him, or any of our young core players.

All I meant from it is that he's coming off a 90 point season. He's averaged 70 points per season for some time. The penguins will find any number of teams that will give some decent value for him.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

All I meant from it is that he's coming off a 90 point season. He's averaged 70 points per season for some time. The penguins will find any number of teams that will give some decent value for him.

Fair enough on the 90 point thing. Just to me there is a difference between a 90 point forward and forward who had a 90 point season.

As for the 2nd part, yeah the Penguins would have a boatload of teams wanting to take Kessel off their hands if they decide to trade him, problem is how many of those teams will Kessel allow them to trade him to? A reduced market likely equals a reduced return.

[CliffFletcher]

The trade suggestions in the article all sounded pretty reasonable - a Brodie/Atkinson/Johannson/Suzuki/Brodin + prospects. Kessel is an elite player. He isn't going to come cheap.

[sureLoss]

For those who like to keep track of former Flames prospects, Sweeney said the Bruins aren't offering Agostino a contract.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by VilleN

I don’t think this really means anything. Are you saying teams should do away with Dmen altogether? Obviously not, but in your scenario I’d also pull the goalie... should we not invest in goaltending? What if the scenario is that we’re tied... you’d likely want Dmen like Gio out there who are equally adept at scoring as they are preventing goals.

It’s really all about the most effective allocation of money. Ideally you balance your spending out across the roster, you probably don’t want to invest to heavily in one area to risk creating holes in others.


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My point is simply that you shouldn't over invest in offense from the blue line in a cap world. When you have two premier offensive defensemen already, it appears you're better off spending that money on a forward.

It doesn't matter the situation - down a goal, up a goal, tied. You want Dougie and Gio out there because they're your best option.

Say we trade Brodie+ for Kessel (as was rumored on Sportsnet today - https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...r-phil-kessel/ ). 30 years old, coming off a 92 point season, 2 cups, proven playoff performer, four years left at $6.8.

That's a better buy than any free agent we could possibly acquire. And we can absorb the cost to do it.

[Murph]

Kessel for Brodie+ is a NO-BRAINER.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Murph

Kessel for Brodie+ is a NO-BRAINER.

What if the + is Valimaki? Leaves the LHD extremely weak going forward.

If the + is small I agree it is a good trade but I have this feeling Kessel is going to be like Heatley and fall completely off the map in the next 2 years

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

What if the + is Valimaki? Leaves the LHD extremely weak going forward.

If the + is small I agree it is a good trade but I have this feeling Kessel is going to be like Heatley and fall completely off the map in the next 2 years

They won’t trade Valimaki

[Machiavelli]

I waffle between wanting Brodie traded to shore up the RW, and keeping him one more season. I feel like we haven't yet seen his best; maybe Peters can get it out of him.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Won't need to sign a UFA LD. Have Valimaki & Kylington (and Kulak) right there to step into Brodie's spot or the 5 spot

That is a massive, massive assumption that any of those guys are close to ready to fill Brodie’s role. Top 4 minutes with power play and penalty kill?


Backfilling for Brodie, (if we do trade him - which I am not necessarily opposed to) is going to be no easy task. He does a lot for this team.


Valimaki has never played proffesional, Kylington has one NHL game three seasons ago, and Kulak was over his head in the #6 role last season. I think it’s extremely wishful thinking that TWO of them are going to be that much improved by the start of the year.

[savemedrzaius]

Leafs traded low on Kessel and got a 1st plus a good prospect.

Kessel's stock has risen since then so the Pens will be getting more than that.

[Roof-Daddy]

Yeah, ideally the Flames keep Brodie for one more season and he has a resurgence that balloons his value. Then next off season they trade him for a massive return with Kulak, Kylington and Valimaki bursting at the seams to take his spot.

It'd be so nice to be on the proper side of the asset management line going forward, where drafting and development happens so efficiently that we have to trade expensive vets for more picks and prospects because they are being forced out by younger cheaper replacements.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Leafs traded low on Kessel and got a 1st plus a good prospect.

Kessel's stock has risen since then so the Pens will be getting more than that.

Four words:

Eight team trade list.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Four words:

Eight team trade list.

Ya, I doubt there’s any Canadian team on that list

[Nelson]

I think it’s interesting that Ward was with Boston for 7 years and was not fired (he resigned)and New Jersey for 3 years and was not fired (he was hunted). That’s longevity. I feel like that indicates a lot. He clearly does not wear out his welcome with management or head coaches by undermining them or the players by being disrespectful. It seems like he must be a team player and good guy to work with. That in itself is valuable.

WRONG THREAD. Sorry.