Got mine a week ago today. Tired and off that day, on again/off again mild headache the next day. Could have been from anything though, lack of sleep, too much work, etc.
My arm was SORE though. Never been that sore from a shot before. Didn't feel it go in our out, but the day after, wow.
My arm was SORE though. Never been that sore from a shot before. Didn't feel it go in our out, but the day after, wow.
Ya as I mentioned on the last page, got mine yesterday. Feel great otherwise, but holy sweet fancy Moses is my arm sore. Accidentally brushed it against a doorframe at work today and I almost yelped. Worst.
Hope this is gone tomorrow, I couldn't even sleep on my left side last night. No fever or any of that other crap many are sayin they felt afterwards, so I'm money in the back there.
I still haven't got the shot, so I ended up catching H1N1 about two days ago. I'm laid up in bed with a fever, cough, sore throat, headache, and my eyes are also burning like crazy, but it really doesn't seem any worse than the regular flu to me. Hopefully I'll start feeling better in the next couple of days, but if this is as bad as it gets, I don't understand what all the fuss was about.
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Did you even read the thread?
1) No, this flu isn't much worse than the normal flu.
2) The fuss the government made was about just how contagious the virus is and how many people did get and how many people WOULD get it if people were not smart enough to get the vaccine.
3) The press did sensationalize the story and focused on the few deaths, particularly of young people, to sell newspapers and such. This made people think that it was a terribly dangerous flu when in fact severe reactions are very rare and for most people it was equal to or even less than the normal flu.
Yeah, except it's been well documented that this flu affects people with pre-existing conditions a lot more readily than the normal seasonal flu. So first of all, I don't understand the original poster saying he doesn't know what the fuss is all.
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I'm sorry but this has nothing to do with Tiger Woods so why is it news?
Thank god for Tiger's transgressions because it has kept the H1N1 hysteria to a minimum. Before Tiger crashed his car and was outed for cheating on his wife the world was about to end, now we're all safe again.
It is no coincidence people, Tiger Woods saves lives so cut him a break.
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Yeah, except it's been well documented that this flu affects people with pre-existing conditions a lot more readily than the normal seasonal flu. So first of all, I don't understand the original poster saying he doesn't know what the fuss is all.
Wasn't the big concern that this flu was killing mostly healthy people without pre-existing conditions?
My wife and I got our shots on Thursday night. My shoulder has been quite tender, more so today then any other time so far. After shovelling the driveway I came in and threw a light bodycheck/nudge to close the door..forgetting that it was my sore side.
Wasn't the big concern that this flu was killing mostly healthy people without pre-existing conditions?
I don't think so. Most of the deaths are involving people with pre-existing conditions. But it's not just about dying, it's about it affecting people with things like respiratory conditions worse than the common flu. I mean if you're just in bed with normal flu symptoms, great. But the shot would have prevented that as well.
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Wasn't the big concern that this flu was killing mostly healthy people without pre-existing conditions?
Most of the deaths have been people with pre-existing conditions; there have been a few exceptions. An unusually high number of otherwise healthy people have been hit with the severe form, many requiring hospitalization, but aside from rare incidents these people are surviving. Also, pregnant women are quite susceptible to the severe form, as are young children - it's been hospitalizing children at about 4x the normal rate for the flu. For most people it's no worse than a regular flu though (I'd prefer not to roll the dice on that myself, which is one of many reasons why I got the shot).
I got the shot last Thursday. No wait, in fact the two things that took the longest were me reading every word on the medical form and information sheet then asking one of the nurses 20 questions about the shot, and the 15 minute wait after receiving the shot. I was in and out very quickly.
That said, my arm hurts like a sum-ma-ma-itch! I've been popping Motrin the past few days (oh and Keith's Draught last night, that helped the pain better than anything).
I'm trying to find more information online about why my arm hurts. In layments terms it seems like the pain comes from an additive to make the shot stronger while using a smaller quantity of ingredients (or whatever you call the stuff they make the vaccination with) so they can more easily mass-produce the vaccine.
Also seems that if your arm hurts it means it's working. Why that means it's working I don't quite know. I'm a medical moron, I don't know how the body works, nor do I want to know. I just like knowing that I can't get H1N1, so I can stop the hassle of washing my hands after I go to the bathroom, run around outside in the snow in my underwear, and eat random people's leftover food from the food court at the mall. Invincibility Rocks!
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I don't get the seasonal flu vaccine either. Do you want to know how many days of work I have missed and how many times I have been to the doctor or hospital?
hospital - I havent been there since the motorcycle accident
sick days - I maybe missed a couple days in the last 5 years
doctor visits - I must be close to death to go to the doc, so none
Vaccines................you simply don't need them.
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So.... because you didn't get sick, therefore no-one needs vaccines?
That's some air tight logic right there. Forgive me if I stick with the experts on this one.
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Hard to argue with my results isn't it? You know I was talking about the seasonal flu vaccine right?
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But thankfully medicine isn't determined on anecdotes and poor logic.
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Okay. You've piqued my interest. Can you state the risks on both sides?
I'll say the risks of not getting the vaccine would be being far more likely to get H1N1:
- typically this is putting people out of work for a week. Some less some more, but the average loss of work time is a week.
- H1N1 is very contagious. So even if you yourself are not in a high risk group and likely would not get severe symptoms, you do risk infecting others that ARE in the high risk group
Ok so all my "no side effects" talk came back to bite me in the ass, I got a bit of a fever and my joints are a little sore. Nothin crazy though, just enough that I'm feeling kind of off, and sluggish. I can't stop droppin deuces though, I think I've done 5-6 today so far. I'm hopin this is out of my system by the end of the weekend.
Ok so all my "no side effects" talk came back to bite me in the ass, I got a bit of a fever and my joints are a little sore. Nothin crazy though, just enough that I'm feeling kind of off, and sluggish. I can't stop droppin deuces though, I think I've done 5-6 today so far. I'm hopin this is out of my system by the end of the weekend.
The nurse at the clinic told me when I asked her if it could make you sick told me they used a killed virus, therefore it cannot. If you get sick, you already had something before the shot, and it's merely coincidental.
However see my above post about me being a medical moron, so I can't support the argument any more than "the nurse said".
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Ya my chills only lasted till work was over, the head ache went away after one advil and never came back.
Felt like a million bucks by supper and now I feel even greater knowing that I don't have to deal with it.
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FYI, I got the non-adjuvanted version (i.e. the one with the vaccine, but not the immune booster) due to a pre-existing condition and felt fine afterward, with little to no soreness even at the injection site.
Anecdotal, but consistent with those saying that it's the booster that causes what problems there are.
That said, my arm hurts like a sum-ma-ma-itch! I've been popping Motrin the past few days (oh and Keith's Draught last night, that helped the pain better than anything).
I'm trying to find more information online about why my arm hurts. In layments terms it seems like the pain comes from an additive to make the shot stronger while using a smaller quantity of ingredients (or whatever you call the stuff they make the vaccination with) so they can more easily mass-produce the vaccine.
Also seems that if your arm hurts it means it's working. Why that means it's working I don't quite know. I'm a medical moron, I don't know how the body works, nor do I want to know. I just like knowing that I can't get H1N1, so I can stop the hassle of washing my hands after I go to the bathroom, run around outside in the snow in my underwear, and eat random people's leftover food from the food court at the mall. Invincibility Rocks!
So we finally know why Bertuzzi was avoiding contact last year. He had an early h1n1 shot.
High risk group means something else here to the doctors.
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Plans to vaccinate healthy children under the age of five against swine flu are in disarray after doctors refused to sign up to a deal.GPs are already immunising people with health problems and pregnant women.
But the British Medical Association and government have ended talks on children after they failed to agree a deal.
Health visitors and district nurses are now to be asked by local NHS managers to step in - but the programme may not now start in December as planned.
However, the vaccination of the first wave groups, which also include health workers, is continuing as normal as they were covered by a deal that was brokered in early autumn.
It is thought the latest talks broke down over the amount of flexibility the government was willing to give doctors over the rest of their workload.
Negotiators had offered doctors £5.25 per dose - the same as they are getting for the first priority group.
But the BMA had argued doctors should be given leeway over fulfilling their obligations on access to appointments.
Under the terms of their contract, doctors are paid bonuses to give most patients appointments within 48 hours as well as allowing them to book in advance. Without this, the BMA argued vaccinating 3m children during the busy winter period would leave doctors out of pocket - doctors consider young children to be time-consuming as parents often have to be reassured.
It's statements like the bolded one that rub me the wrong way. I got the vaccine and that was my personal choice. I'm no more smart than someone who, for reasons or their own, decided that they didn't want it. There are varying degrees of risk with both and someone shouldn't be made to feel inferior for opting out of it.
When it comes to vaccines, I'm pro-choice.
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I'm also sick and tired of people trying to slide in little back door insults to those that are not getting the shot. I find it funny that the two sides of the debate appear to be:
1) The holier-than-though crowd that is getting the shot and feels they have to convince the world to get it.
or
2) The I'm not getting the shot and don't really care if you do or not crowd.
Why does the pro-shot crowd feel that they have to force their opinions on others? I'm not getting the shot, I have my reasons and honestly I don't care if they agree with them because everyone is entitled to their own opinion. This does not make me stupid or irresponsible, this simply means I have a different opinion then they do...
I'm also sick and tired of people trying to slide in little back door insults to those that are not getting the shot. I find it funny that the two sides of the debate appear to be:
1) The holier-than-though crowd that is getting the shot and feels they have to convince the world to get it.
or
2) The I'm not getting the shot and don't really care if you do or not crowd.
Why does the pro-shot crowd feel that they have to force their opinions on others? I'm not getting the shot, I have my reasons and honestly I don't care if they agree with them because everyone is entitled to their own opinion. This does not make me stupid or irresponsible, this simply means I have a different opinion then they do...
I'm pretty sure the back-handed insults are because a lot of people do feel that people refusing to get the shot is both irresponsible and, shall we say, unwise.
Irresponsible, because the idea is to get that magic 'herd immunity' which results from having a very high proportion of the population immunized. If we don't get a high enough proportion immunized, then everybody is at higher risk, because the virus continues to circulate more widely through the unvaccinated segment of the population. In that sense you are putting more people at risk than just yourself. It's kind of like the difference between not wearing a seat-belt and driving drunk. I think you cauld at least make some argument that the first is putting only you at risk, but the second puts everyone on the road at risk and that is irresponsible.
As for unwise, it ties in to the above, but also, the fact is that there are decades worth medical and scientific data regarding the efficacy and side effects of vaccines, and yet people who are completely unqualified seem to be willing to make grandiose statements about the downsides of vaccines. Unless you're a conspiracy theorist, I think it makes sense to to go with the preponderance of evidence. Doing otherwise is 'unwise'.
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