11-14-2025, 11:10 AM
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#12541
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Mar 2024
Location: Victoria, BC
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Hopefully the league stays this tight near the top all season, if it does I can see more potential suitors for Kadri, Coleman & Raz than the usual suspects we've been hearing about so far.
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11-14-2025, 11:10 AM
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#12542
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: In the studio
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For me I’d love to see Andersson be the one trade that happens before Christmas break, depending on retention/extension I think he commands a 1st + cap dump player + prospect. Which brings me to the Canadiens and their situation with Newhook just going down and the need to bring in some experience/links to Kadri. Kypreos was saying that Kadri could command quite the ticket if he had retention and honestly his 7 mill price tag isn’t even that bad with the way the cap is going.
To the Flames
Hage
1st
2nd
Andersson (cap dump)
To the Habs
Andersson 50 percent retained/extended
Kadri 25 per retained
How close is this in terms of value for either side?
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11-14-2025, 11:10 AM
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#12543
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Coleman should be shopped - especially on a team with too many wingers at both the prospect and NHL level.
A younger Coleman with 1.5 years left on his deal returned a recent 1st prospect (Foote) and a 1st.
His production and play now is actually better than it was then.
I think he gets you a 1st + if you move him at the deadline with two playoff runs left on his deal.
Everyone looks at Dallas but I think a return to New Jersey could make even more sense, as they have a glaring need to improve their bottom 6.
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Hopefully he has a couple viable options on his trade list
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11-14-2025, 11:15 AM
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#12544
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden
Not if the pick is unprotected. Because the leafs may well finish outside of the playoffs comes 2028.
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And then that player is ready to play in 2031? We need a bit more urgency in our returning assets.
Getting a 2028 unprotected 1st is a good get but trading Andersson for a C prospect is more likely than Kadri or Coleman for a C prospect. What team would trade for Kadri (because they need a C) and give up a C in the process?
Moving Andersson for a C and then Kadri & Coleman for more future based packages (picks) makes sense as a strategy.
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11-14-2025, 11:15 AM
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#12545
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Franchise Player
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Probably better value if you do separate trades.
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11-14-2025, 11:18 AM
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#12546
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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11-14-2025, 11:21 AM
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#12547
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolven
And then that player is ready to play in 2031? We need a bit more urgency in our returning assets.
Getting a 2028 unprotected 1st is a good get but trading Andersson for a C prospect is more likely than Kadri or Coleman for a C prospect. What team would trade for Kadri (because they need a C) and give up a C in the process?
Moving Andersson for a C and then Kadri & Coleman for more future based packages (picks) makes sense as a strategy.
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We will see but I doubt Andersson pulls a center prospect that had top six upside. The Avs traded a prospect for Nelson that does.
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11-14-2025, 11:24 AM
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#12548
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
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Andersson for Knies straight up wouldn't happen. What could/would we add to try to tempt Toronto in to parting with him? Or is that a non-starter?
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11-14-2025, 11:26 AM
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#12549
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First Line Centre
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Knies has a ten team no trade, if the Flames are on it and good bet they are I would be shocked if he waived for the Flames. His numbers are going to plummet if traded here
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11-14-2025, 11:29 AM
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#12550
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DionTheDman
Have they ever traded up? I can think of plenty of times they've traded DOWN, but I can't think of a single one off the top of my head. And I'm not talking about the two 4ths for a 3rd type trade-ups.
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1990. They traded up from 20th overall to 11th to grab the best goalie in the draft.
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11-14-2025, 11:30 AM
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#12551
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavy Jack
For me I’d love to see Andersson be the one trade that happens before Christmas break, depending on retention/extension I think he commands a 1st + cap dump player + prospect. Which brings me to the Canadiens and their situation with Newhook just going down and the need to bring in some experience/links to Kadri. Kypreos was saying that Kadri could command quite the ticket if he had retention and honestly his 7 mill price tag isn’t even that bad with the way the cap is going.
To the Flames
Hage
1st
2nd
Andersson (cap dump)
To the Habs
Andersson 50 percent retained/extended
Kadri 25 per retained
How close is this in terms of value for either side?
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IMO it is too much cap dump + retention. Anderson is 2 years at $5.5. Andersson is 1 year (and 1 retention slot) at $2.275. Kadri is 4 years at $1.75 (and 4 retention slots). It also handcuffs the team from using a retention slot on Coleman.
The Canadiens would either need to add more to make all of that retention worth it (especially getting both of our remaining retention slots this season) or accept the deal without retention on Kadri. If they are sending us Anderson, they have $11M in cap space, which is more than enough for Kadri + 50% Andersson.
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11-14-2025, 11:31 AM
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#12552
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Knies is the reason they let Marner go. There's absolutely 0 chance we get him in a Rasmus trade. Unless our 1st is going with Andersson.
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11-14-2025, 11:31 AM
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#12553
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigThief
Knies has a ten team no trade, if the Flames are on it and good bet they are I would be shocked if he waived for the Flames. His numbers are going to plummet if traded here
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That must have be a mistake. Players are only eligible for NTC/NMCs in years they would have been UFA.
Knies should not have any trade protection at age 23
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11-14-2025, 11:33 AM
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#12554
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigThief
Knies has a ten team no trade, if the Flames are on it and good bet they are I would be shocked if he waived for the Flames. His numbers are going to plummet if traded here
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He's only 23 years-old. He's not eligible for a NTC until 2030.
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11-14-2025, 11:35 AM
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#12555
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
That must have be a mistake. Players are only eligible for NTC/NMCs in years they would have been UFA.
Knies should not have any trade protection at age 23
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Probably has one in his last year or something
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11-14-2025, 11:40 AM
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#12556
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
Knies is the reason they let Marner go. There's absolutely 0 chance we get him in a Rasmus trade. Unless our 1st is going with Andersson.
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I think the point they're trying to make is that IF Toronto wants Andersson as much as they claim, then its going to take an overpay for Craig/Murray to trade with Brad, and that overpay is Knies.
Otherwise they see no fit because Toronto has traded away its entire cupboard/assets.
I for one welcome Knies for Andersson 1 for 1 - Has to happen now to make sense though.
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11-14-2025, 11:40 AM
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#12557
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Scoring Winger
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Yeah I can't see any scenario where they part with Knies unfortunately, but hearing Dreger say that on BarnBurner was unexpected. I mean, even if Tre was desperate and had to make moves to try to save the season, you don't trade a young piece like that for aging vets unless they're really unhappy typically. Was just a strange "suggestion" all around.
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11-14-2025, 11:41 AM
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#12558
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiggy_12
Andersson for Knies straight up wouldn't happen. What could/would we add to try to tempt Toronto in to parting with him? Or is that a non-starter?
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I think that's Dreger implying a trade between the Flames and Leafs don't make any sense. Leafs have nothing else left that the Flames want, as the Flames don't want anything other than what the Leafs are unwilling to give up (ie. Knies).
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11-14-2025, 11:43 AM
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#12559
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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If we're being super generous, you could maybe read it as Brad helping to jack up the market value on Ras a bit for us.
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11-14-2025, 11:49 AM
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#12560
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First Line Centre
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I can't imagine Knies is even an option. He might be more untouchable than Matthews
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