2011 Blue Jays Season Thread

[moon]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

Why package JP ?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!!?!?!?! He's a good piece! Agree with moving Snider, lots of talent but very inconsistent - luckily he's young so teams will take a chance on him.

I imagine you would package JP because he is a below average defensive catcher on a team with a few guys that may be best suited for DH and D'Arnaud is coming up who is a better defensive catcher and might be close offensively. Plus the guy actually brings you back something of value as well.

[Lil Pedro]

Great game tonight, and outstanding pitching by Romero. Hes now dominating games and outplaying the opposing starting pitcher. Arencibia looked lost tonight, 0-4 with 4 strikeouts. Remember hes a rookie and is second in the MLB among HR by a catcher. He'll bounce back.
Glad to see Rauch get the S

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

Great game tonight, and outstanding pitching by Romero. Hes now dominating games and outplaying the opposing starting pitcher. Arencibia looked lost tonight, 0-4 with 4 strikeouts. Remember hes a rookie and is second in the MLB among HR by a catcher. He'll bounce back.
Glad to see Rauch get the S

JP I believe was on a hot streak only a few games back 5 HRs in 6 games or something like that. Really tough pitcher to face for young players.

I would think that is the reason Lawrie was not recalled, I expect he will be called up when the Jays face the Orioles.

[NoCupsIn40Years]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

Why package JP ?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!!?!?!?! He's a good piece! Agree with moving Snider, lots of talent but very inconsistent - luckily he's young so teams will take a chance on him.

1. You've got to give to get.
2. Arencibia is also inconsistent and has been flirting near the Mendoza line.
3. Arencibia is deemed as an expandable asset since we have D'Arnaud in the minors
4. JP may get the ladies, but we'll be getting McGowan soon. (Hopefully)

[Caged Great]

A bunch more signings of the picks. 2nd round pitcher, Jeremy Gabryszwski, 11th round SS Andrew Burns, 27th round OF Derrick Lovelace (surprising that a high schooler that late in the game would get signed.)

Also, Matt Dean is rumoured to be signed.

Pitcher

Kevin Comer - 1st Supplemental round - (High School)
Daniel Norris - 2nd round - (High School)
Jeremy Gabryszwski - 2nd round - (High School) - Signed
John Stilson - 3rd round - (College)
Thomas Robson - 4th round - ?
Anthony Chin - 5th round - (High School)
Anthony DeSclafani - 6th round - ?
Mark Biggs - 8th round - (High School)
Andrew Suarez - 9th round - (High School)
Aaron Garza - 10th round - (High School)
Nicolas Wiper - 14th round - (High School)
Cody Glen - 15th round - (High School) - Apparently has committed to college, not going to sign
Brady Dragmire - 17th round - ?
Luke Weaver - 19th round - (High School)
Joel Seddon - 20th round - (High School) - Turned down 1 million, likely not to sign
Aaron Nola - 22nd round - (High School)
Jerrick Suiter - 35th round - (High School)
Chris Cox - 39th round - Strange situation as he can hold out and then sign as a free agent with any team. Would take a lot to sign him.
Jake Eliopoulos - 43rd round - (No School)
Charlie Lamar - 49th round - (High School)

1B

Richard Prigatano - 16th round - (High School)
John Coy - 45th round - (College)

SS

Christian Lopes - 7th round - (High School)
Andrew Burns - 11th round - (College) Signed
K'Shawn Smith - 23rd round - (College)
Austin Nola - 31st round - (College)

3B

Matt Dean - 13th round - (High School) - Rumoured to be Signed
Austin Davis - 47th round - (High School)

Outfielders

Dwight Smith - 1st Supplemental round - (High School)
John Norwood - 12th round - (College)
Derrick Lovelace - 27th round - (High School) - Signed
Jacob Wakamatsu - 48th round - (High School)

Signed

Anderson (OF - 1st Round), Musgrove (RHP - 1st round), Gabryszwski (RHP - 2nd round),Burns (SS - 11th round),
Berti (2B - 18th round), Mooney (SS - 21st round), Rollins (LHP - 24th round), Arce (1B 25th round),
Atkinson (SS - 26th round), Lovelace (OF - 27th round), Vega-Rosado (SS - 28th round), Cole (RHP - 29th round),
Patterson (1B - 30th round), Pillar (OF - 32nd round), Champlin (RHP - 33rd Round), Munoz (C - 34th round),
Sikula (RHP - 36th round), Williams (RHP - 37th round), Taylor (RF - 38th round), Baligod (OF - 40th round),
Barrett (SS - 41st round), Davis (LHP - 42nd round) , Broussard (RHP - 44th round), Farrel (RHP - 46th round),
Brown (RHP - 50th round)

Unofficially Signed, but have dollar frameworks in place

Beede (RHP - 1st round), Dean (3B - 13th round),

[flambers]

Originally Posted by NoCupsIn40Years

1. You've got to give to get.
2. Arencibia is also inconsistent and has been flirting near the Mendoza line.
3. Arencibia is deemed as an expandable asset since we have D'Arnaud in the minors
4. JP may get the ladies, but we'll be getting McGowan soon. (Hopefully)

JP is also on pace for 20 HRs as a rookie catcher. Not to mention he played with a disclocated thumb. He has went through tough times for sure but that is expected from a rookie.

In my opinion, Jays should hold onto JP.

D'Arnaud I bet is a couple of years away. Hitting is the area he will need to work on, I bet next season he spends the full year at AAA.

When they try to acquire a #1, I bet they move a pitching prospect.

There is no way AA will overpay for a pitcher.... He has a pattern, he will look for the player the team has given up on (i.e. like Lawrie, Rasmus or Escobar or Morrow).

[ballin]

i want that pineda kid from seattle

[bluejays]

I'm totally with Flambers on this one. I really like what Arencibia has brought this year in his first year. Sure his strikeouts haven't been good at all, but I actually see the sky as the limit with him. Give his lots of time with Cito working on his hitting mechanics this year and certainly he'd improve. If D'Arnaud is better than this guy I'd be floored.

The player I'm getting somewhat fed up with his Snider. I have never ever seen a prospect with such power and such a good swing at such an young age, but he's never shown any consistency in his 3 years, and with teams still holding him in somewhat high regard, I wouldn't mind him packaged in a deal to get a huge HR guy (like Prince Fielder, though not now considering he can be had as a FA). I wouldn't deal Hill just yet, though I would give him another season to work his stuff out, and if it doesn't, package him with Drabek for an ace and move someone else to 2nd. There are still a lot a things that can fall into place over the next coming months, so we'll see.

[Matty81]

JP's trade value will be absolutely massive by season's end if he keeps it up - though I don't think he should get moved anytime soon anyway. Even though the average is a bit low rookie catchers who hits 20+ bombs and drive in 65-75 runs don't come along too often. He would easily be leading MLB in rookie RBIs and HRs if he had played the 20 extra games trumbo and freeman have over him.

Also and more importantly, the bad defence stuff is a load of crap. He is not great but certainly not the worst around already, he has improved defensively pretty much all season and his game calling ability is worlds better than a guy like Wieters who gets all kinds of d credit because of his cannon throwing arm and has a 10 cent head calling games in the majors.

D'Arnaud still has AAA before he should get promoted and if JP continues to improve who knows who gets moved. Has a long ways to go defending baserunners but watching him every night you can see him improving every week.

[Caged Great]

JPA and d'Arnaud could easily split time between C/1B/DH and have both of them on the team at the same without much of a problem I don't think.

If you have a combination of Lind, JPA and d'Arnaud all putting up 15-25 HR, and 60+ RBI, as well as a solid OBP/Avg for those three positions, we'll be in a good position, both in terms of dollars being paid (around 6 million for the three) as well as for production.



Also, the deadline to sign draft picks is two weeks from now on Monday.

[Caged Great]

Apparently Farrell was discussing Henderson Alvarez, and was saying that he'd like to have him up here to see what he's got before the end of the end of the year. He's dominating AA, and could probably see some time in the pen in Sept. He throws mid-high 90's.

[Trojan97]

Originally Posted by Matty81

JP's trade value will be absolutely massive by season's end if he keeps it up - though I don't think he should get moved anytime soon anyway. Even though the average is a bit low rookie catchers who hits 20+ bombs and drive in 65-75 runs don't come along too often. He would easily be leading MLB in rookie RBIs and HRs if he had played the 20 extra games trumbo and freeman have over him.

Also and more importantly, the bad defence stuff is a load of crap. He is not great but certainly not the worst around already, he has improved defensively pretty much all season and his game calling ability is worlds better than a guy like Wieters who gets all kinds of d credit because of his cannon throwing arm and has a 10 cent head calling games in the majors.

D'Arnaud still has AAA before he should get promoted and if JP continues to improve who knows who gets moved. Has a long ways to go defending baserunners but watching him every night you can see him improving every week.

Cibia's struggles behind the plate are far from a load of crap. He's near the bottom of nearly every statistical category for catchers. As far as his game calling goes, none of us really knows where he stands in the league for that side of the game. There's lots of factors at play there.

I will say though, he's a hell of a leader and seems like a tremendous guy. I'm happy having him keep the spot warm for D'Arnaud next year.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by Trojan97

Cibia's struggles behind the plate are far from a load of crap. He's near the bottom of nearly every statistical category for catchers. As far as his game calling goes, none of us really knows where he stands in the league for that side of the game. There's lots of factors at play there.

I will say though, he's a hell of a leader and seems like a tremendous guy. I'm happy having him keep the spot warm for D'Arnaud next year.

He's also a rookie, he should be near the bottom, defense isn't his forte - he's learning the game back there. Imagine if he hadn't hurt his hand, where his offensive stats might be atm. Nevermind he's still learning how pitchers attack him etc. IDC if Jimmie Foxx is behind him in AA, he's played well enough to be where he is.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Trojan97

Cibia's struggles behind the plate are far from a load of crap. He's near the bottom of nearly every statistical category for catchers. As far as his game calling goes, none of us really knows where he stands in the league for that side of the game. There's lots of factors at play there.

I will say though, he's a hell of a leader and seems like a tremendous guy. I'm happy having him keep the spot warm for D'Arnaud next year.

He is in the middle of the pack in with his 4 errors all year for a .993 fielding percentage, 12th in MLB in assists from the catcher position, range factor for his position 11th in MLB.

He's bad in two important categories - passed balls/wild pitches which totally sucks and his throwing percentage is not great either (although he is still better than alot of long time guys at the position like John Buck, Pierzynski and Brian McCann).

He also has a pretty respectable catchers ERA with one and a half starting pitchers in romero and morrow and a bunch of crap for most of the season.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's great defensively, he's learning the position and is starting out a poor catch and throw receiver, but he is a solid fielding catcher, and at least average at handling a staff so far and suggesting he is one of the worst defensive catchers in the league is a bit lazy IMO.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Matty81

He is in the middle of the pack in with his 4 errors all year for a .993 fielding percentage, 12th in MLB in assists from the catcher position, range factor for his position 11th in MLB.

He's bad in two important categories - passed balls/wild pitches which totally sucks and his throwing percentage is not great either (although he is still better than alot of long time guys at the position like John Buck, Pierzynski and Brian McCann).

He also has a pretty respectable catchers ERA with one and a half starting pitchers in romero and morrow and a bunch of crap for most of the season.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's great defensively, he's learning the position and is starting out a poor catch and throw receiver, but he is a solid fielding catcher, and at least average at handling a staff so far and suggesting he is one of the worst defensive catchers in the league is a bit lazy IMO.

He is bad at framing pitches as well according to the 3 guys from Sportsnet that are former catchers and from most reports it is almost impossible to say how he is at handling the staff because those guys say it is hard to know what is being said out there and how much comes from the dugout.

Most reports I have heard have him as a poor catcher defensively and not just because he is a rookie but as a guy overall and going forward.

[Jason14h]

I wouldn't deal Hill just yet, though I would give him another season to work his stuff out, and if it doesn't, package him with Drabek for an ace and move someone else to 2n

Hill's option will not be picked up and he will be a UFA at years end.

Regarding JP: You DO NOT trade 20+ HR rookies unless you are getting a proven superstar back, especially catchers!

Worst case is JP plays some DH/1B next year! Don't forget Delgado was initially a catcher too!

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Jp, yet another bomb last night, hot streak = continues. If JP develops anywhere near the power hitter Delgado was, that would be great.

Time to pull Carlos V. from the rotation and get litsch back in. Carlos can be utilized in the pen since we just dumped 3 relievers and got 'pen filler' back.

I like the make up of this team, I'd say just keep picking up pieces and forget the ace next year. Bring in an ace if were close at the deadline next year, if not give it another, nothing wrong watching this team as is.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

Jp, yet another bomb last night, hot streak = continues. If JP develops anywhere near the power hitter Delgado was, that would be great.

Time to pull Carlos V. from the rotation and get litsch back in. Carlos can be utilized in the pen since we just dumped 3 relievers and got 'pen filler' back.

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Wonder if Carlos V has hit a wall, stat's show he has been involved in 97.2 innings. Last season he had 52 and the previous year he had 96.

He may not be able to go much further.

On a different note, wonder if Lawrie will be recalled after today's game?

[flambers]

As another update, specualation is Carlos V is undergoing an MRI today.

[Matty81]

Can't believe how shallow the rotation is - hope the Jays try and pick up one of the free agent starters on the market this summer because McGuire, Jenkins and co are still a couple years away and a guy like Buehrle, Carpenter or CJ Wilson would do a lot to stabilize the rotation.