[Signing] Wild sign Kaprizov to record setting contract extension (8 yrs, $17 mil AAV)

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by getbak

It's 20% of the cap whenever the contract is signed (even if the contract doesn't start until the next season when the cap will be higher). Also, the 20% limit applies to both the annual salary (including signing bonuses) and the cap hit. This means a player couldn't sign a front-loaded maximum cap hit contract to get more money earlier in the contract.

Right now, the cap is $95.5 million, so the highest-possible cap hit for any contract signed until June 30 is $19.1 million.

Next year's cap will be $113.5 million, meaning $22.7 million will be the highest possible cap hit on any contract signed after July 1 next year.

Until June 30, he can sign an 8-year max contract with the Oilers, or whichever team holds his rights at the trade deadline. Between July 1 and September 15, he can sign a 7-year max contract with any team. After September 16, he'll only be able to sign a 6-year max contract.

That’s great summary, thanks!

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I have been saying for a few months that Huberdeau is going to be tradeable soon. His contract will be ok by summer of 2027

The problem will be, even though the cap goes up, he gets a year older and likely regression will have begun.

He’ll have $42M owing then and you’ll want someone paying for his 34-38 years.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

The question becomes you don't want to pay Kaprizov $17M. How do you replace him?

The answer is pretty simple. You don't. The smart play is to pay the player.

For $17 M you can get a Barkov and Verhaeghe. Last year Barkov scored 71 points (in 67 games) and won the Selke and a Stanley cup. Verhaeghe scored 53 points last year, which was a down year for him, as he scored 70+ points the two previous years, but we'll just take him at his production last year.

That's still 124 points, a Selke, and 2 players that helped win a cup.

Last year Kaprizov scored 56 points (albeit in 41 games), but let's say he did that all year and scored 112 points.

His team did nothing in the playoffs despite him putting up 9 points in 6 games.

Look, he's an unreal offensive talent, but offense alone doesn't win you championships. He's going to help them a lot in the regular season, but come playoffs, the money is better distributed to a few very, very good players rather than one elite offensive talent.

While I like the player very much, this is just too much money dedicated to one guy. And if you have to beg a guy to stay by breaking the bank for him, he's probably not that dedicated to the team and that will show through when things get tough.

I don't need to be right about this, but I just feel like it's a mistake. Time will tell.

[BigThief]

Barkov signed his latest contract in 2021 under very different circumstances, it's absolutely childish to compare the two. If Barkov was a UFA this summer he would be getting much more than his current deal.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Barkov signed his latest contract in 2021 under very different circumstances, it's absolutely childish to compare the two. If Barkov was a UFA this summer he would be getting much more than his current deal.

Well that's stupid. Going by that logic I can't compare Kaprizov to anyone because he's the first big name free agent to sign with the cap going up this year.

Would Barkov get more now than then? Sure, because he's won 2 Selke's and 2 cups, but his point production hasn't significantly changed since then, and that's what usually gets you a bigger salary. It doesn't really change the nature of my point, which is that putting too much money into a single superstar player isn't the best strategy for team building, no matter how good that player is *cough* McDavid *cough*.

But thanks for calling me childish as I attempted to engage in a meaningful conversation. Super productive. Back to the ignore list you go.

[dino7c]

At best this contract is fair for the Wild...they didn't have much choice but lets not pretend there isn't major risk. 17M range is gonna be a top 3ish player for a while.

[BigThief]

The childish part is pretending you could get Barkov for that salary now. Compare whoever you want, but you can't pretend Barkov would sign that deal this summer. His production is the same but he's going to get more because teams have more available. Even based on percentage he gets an immediate 1.5 million dollar bump against the max salary.

Edmonton has two star players *cough* the german *hiccup* but I'm not suggesting a team needs just one star player to win and I've never said that. The cap is going up up up, Kaprisov's hit is 16.3% next year but already drops to 15 the year after, and less as the cap goes up. The Wild still have 20 million in cap space next summer, and that's with this new 17 million bucks on the table.

[Sandman]

I just wouldn’t be able to bring myself to sign Kap to a contract that big.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I just wouldn’t be able to bring myself to sign Kap to a contract that big.

Were you asked to chip in or something?

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I just wouldn’t be able to bring myself to sign Kap to a contract that big.

Huberdeau signed 10.5 when the cap was at 82.5
Roughly 13%

I don’t see the big difference in locking up star talent rather than middle of the pack.

I’d take him in a heartbeat on the flames for that price today

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

For $17 M you can get a Barkov and Verhaeghe. Last year Barkov scored 71 points (in 67 games) and won the Selke and a Stanley cup. Verhaeghe scored 53 points last year, which was a down year for him, as he scored 70+ points the two previous years, but we'll just take him at his production last year.

Lol @ Panthers fans gloating about their fortunate situation and making it seem as if its remotely replicable by other teams.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Huberdeau signed 10.5 when the cap was at 82.5
Roughly 13%

I don’t see the big difference in locking up star talent rather than middle of the pack.

I’d take him in a heartbeat on the flames for that price today

Kaprizov @ 15% of cap is not an overpay whatsoever. Most teams would sign the contract if given the opportunity.

[Sylvanfan]

The argument that you could get Barkov and Verhege for this price...is farcical. Are the Panthers going to trade either...will they allow the Panthers to trade them to Minnesota? Plus the environment when the deals were signed. Than you have to acquire these guys by spending assets.

It's pricey, but they also kept their best player and send a message that they're willing to keep what they think is a top player than move on and be frugal. If you're not a marquee market and you want a star player...it'll cost you. That said the caps moving to a point where small to mid markets will have a tough time spending all their cap. So might as well overpay high end players than having 3 mid level 8 million dollar guys who are overpaid. Better chance to draft mid guys than stars.

[Hackey]

Wow that number is insane.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Kaprizov @ 15% of cap is not an overpay whatsoever. Most teams would sign the contract if given the opportunity.

he has been over 100 points 1 time...like what do you think is a fair average of points per season he needs to make this a good contract? (not PPG because missing games is not a good thing) 100 points is the minimum IMO. And lets say he misses 40 games again, you can't LTIR all that money anymore.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by BigThief

The childish part is pretending you could get Barkov for that salary now. Compare whoever you want, but you can't pretend Barkov would sign that deal this summer. His production is the same but he's going to get more because teams have more available. Even based on percentage he gets an immediate 1.5 million dollar bump against the max salary.

Edmonton has two star players *cough* the german *hiccup* but I'm not suggesting a team needs just one star player to win and I've never said that. The cap is going up up up, Kaprisov's hit is 16.3% next year but already drops to 15 the year after, and less as the cap goes up. The Wild still have 20 million in cap space next summer, and that's with this new 17 million bucks on the table.

With a ton of players to sign...who will all be bumped up based on the new salary structure

[vilzeh]

People saying this is massive overpayment haven't really seen Kaprizov play. He's the fuel for the team, the cap is going up, we aren't living in the 60million cap world anymore. He led the league in scoring before getting injured. Minnesota was (correct me if I'm wrong)leading the league prior to his injury?

Of course if he ain't healthy this is awful, but you sign the player for their healthy potential.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by vilzeh

People saying this is massive overpayment haven't really seen Kaprizov play. He's the fuel for the team, the cap is going up, we aren't living in the 60million cap world anymore. He led the league in scoring before getting injured. Minnesota was (correct me if I'm wrong)leading the league prior to his injury?

Of course if he ain't healthy this is awful, but you sign the player for their healthy potential.

sure but like I said he has been hurt in each of the last three seasons

[vilzeh]

Originally Posted by dino7c

sure but like I said he has been hurt in each of the last three seasons

Yeah, agreed, that's a huge risk, but tbh if I was the GM I just can't let Kaprizov walk. For some reason I love him as a player, which is pretty weird because I hate Minnesota and Russia.. So maybe I'm a bit biased with my take.

[dino7c]

So you guys would give Eichel 17M if he goes UFA? Like what did Colorado not give Rantanen 12? Marner made 12M


This contract is MASSIVE