2021 NHL Draft

[ForeverFlameFan]

Edvinsson sounds like another Hanifin, no? Or who is a better comparable?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Edvinsson sounds like another Hanifin, no? Or who is a better comparable?

3 separate sites have his Comparable to OEL.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

Here is what Pronman writes on Edvisson:

Is it a red flag that Edvisson ranks average in every category? Seems to me that a top ten player should rank higher in some o0f those categories, particularly hockey IQ.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Owen Power
Dylan Guenther
William Eklund
Luke Hughes
Matthew Beniers
Kent Johnson
Chaz Lucius
Brandt Clarke
Mason McTavish
Sebastian Cossa
Jesper Wallstedt
Simon Edvinsson
Corson Ceulemans
Nikita Chibrikov
Matthew Coronato
Kirill Kirsanov
Carson Lambos
Cole Sillinger
Aatu Raty
Wyatt Johnston

I think this is the only list that has Cossa ahead of Wallstedt. That's interesting

I wouldn't be upset if we picked Wallstedt at 12. Not sure if I'd feel the same way about Cossa

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Edvinsson sounds like another Hanifin, no? Or who is a better comparable?

I like that comparison-Edvinsson is big and fast, a good 200ft player, but not the most physical. I also wonder about his offensive ceiling in the NHL. Still a great prospect.

[Tkachukwagon]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Is it a red flag that Edvisson ranks average in every category? Seems to me that a top ten player should rank higher in some o0f those categories, particularly hockey IQ.

For context, Pronman doesn’t really rate anyone in the top end of the draft highly in most categories. Here is his overview of number one ranked Owen Power:

Owen Power, LHD, Michigan-Big Ten
Nov. 22, 2002 | 6-foot-6 | 213 pounds

Skating: Average
Puck Skills: Below-average
Hockey Sense: Above-average
Compete: Average

Power had a great freshman season as one of the best defensemen in his conference while also one of its youngest, and played a key role for Canada in its gold medal run at the world championships. Power’s offensive toolkit won’t jump out immediately to you, but a 6-foot-6 defenseman who can skate at the NHL level and move the puck well is a major asset. His skating isn’t explosive, but his stride and edgework are excellent, and he can evade pressure very well. Power’s offense comes from a great first pass and an ability to find seams in the offensive zone well. I question if he will be a go-to power play type, but I can for sure see him on PP2 and can be PP1 in a pinch. Defensively he’s not that physical, but he closes on checks well with his range and reach, and breaks up a lot of plays. In a sentence, Power projects as a star all-situations NHL defenseman who won’t land on highlight reels but will play tough minutes and drive play.

[Robbob]

That makes sense. Probably had McDavid with above average.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Does anyone ever do a post draft analysis to see which draft ranking came the closest to the actual outcome?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Does anyone ever do a post draft analysis to see which draft ranking came the closest to the actual outcome?

Someone had done this on hf a few years ago, but I searched for it last year and couldn't find it at all. Iirc McKenzie did the best over time, but it was all a crapshoot.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Someone had done this on hf a few years ago, but I searched for it last year and couldn't find it at all. Iirc McKenzie did the best over time, but it was all a crapshoot.

That's because what McKenzie does is talk to team scouts and aggregate that. His purpose is to predict the 1st round.
Pronman and Button and others aren't trying to do that. The lists are their own based on their talent evaluations.
Apples and oranges.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That's because what McKenzie does is talk to team scouts and aggregate that. His purpose is to predict the 1st round.
Pronman and Button and others aren't trying to do that. The lists are their own based on their talent evaluations.
Apples and oranges.

Yeah, if it doesn’t match up, Pronman would say the teams messed up, not him.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Updated Consensus with Pronman

He certainly changed up the order a bit!

https://www.calgarypuck.com/wp-conte...onsensus-1.pdf

9 Jesper Wallstedt G #SHL 7 4 12 11 13 11 10 10 17 8 4 9 6 13 9 9 9.56
10 Fabian Lysell RW #SHL 9 10 3 11 27 14 22 12 9 10 5 9 27 7 7 5 11 11.81
11 Chaz Lucius C #USDP 12 12 16 10 10 16 7 9 13 19 25 6 15 18 16 13 12 13.56
12 Cole Sillinger C #USHL 10 13 14 15 13 10 18 13 18 16 13 14 17 12 14 12 13 14.06
13 Mason Mctavish C #SL 2 15 29 9 9 9 9 11 14 21 32 16 14 5 20 7 10 14.38
14 Aatu Raty C #Liiga 3 19 11 14 20 12 19 20 11 3 9 12 29 20 8 28 19 15.88
15 Carson Lambos D #U20 SM-sarja 11 22 28 18 17 5 17 15 20 2 15 12 30 12 25 14 16.80

Lysell down.
Lucius up.

Wallstedt creeping towards the Calgary pick range.

You take Lambos out of that list and I'm a happy draft camper. If that's who the Flames get to pick from.

[Sandman]

I usually take MacKenzie’s list the most seriously.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I like that comparison-Edvinsson is big and fast, a good 200ft player, but not the most physical. I also wonder about his offensive ceiling in the NHL. Still a great prospect.

My thoughts exactly. When Tkachukwagon posted that description from Pronman I instantly thought of Hanifin when he was a prospect.

[the_only_turek_fan]

At this point I really want Sillinger. A compete 180 from my position 2 weeks ago.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

At this point I really want Sillinger. A compete 180 from my position 2 weeks ago.

Why's that?

Top 3 for me based on who could be available:

Lysell
McTavish
Lucius

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Does anyone ever do a post draft analysis to see which draft ranking came the closest to the actual outcome?

I wish teams would do this for their own list, and make it public, even if it is just a sugar-coated version to give fans some of the rankings that they got right. I love the Kucherov/Gaudreau story. Fans still talk about it 10 years later.

Which scouts are good talent evaluators, which one over rate or under rate prospects. Which scouts take risks, which scouts play it safe - you likely want a mix of both on your staff

It would be fascinating to learn who the Flames have as 'wildcard' selections each draft, how close were they to getting them, 5 years later - did the player pan out etc

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Why's that?

Top 3 for me based on who could be available:

Lysell
McTavish
Lucius

When I saw that he was comparable to Mark Scheifele that is was sealed the deal for me.

That is exactly what we need.

[Pellanor]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Is it a red flag that Edvisson ranks average in every category? Seems to me that a top ten player should rank higher in some o0f those categories, particularly hockey IQ.

In this case "Average" means "NHL Average". So somebody who is 6'4" and skates as well as the average NHLer is actually going to be pretty quick for his size.

[Bingo]

Added another ranking from lastwordonsports ...

That's 17 now (not including the two CSB rankings).

Starting to see a narrowing of that Flames first round pick area ... Lambos and Raty falling off a bit leaving four likely names Lysell, Lucius, Sillinger and Mctavish in that order.

Player Pick Avg
Jesper Wallstedt 9.4
Fabian Lysell 11.7
Chaz Lucius 13.4
Cole Sillinger 14.1
Mason Mctavish 14.2
Aatu Raty 15.9
Carson Lambos 16.6
Nikita Chibrikov 19.6
Fyodor Svechkov 21.4
Matthew Coronato 21.9