New Metallica Album on Guitar Hero III

[Azure]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Count me in the "meh" category for the new single. Starts to pick up around 5:30 but overall it's pretty boring.

Was 'One' boring to you too?

Otherwise, I agree with your prior comments too.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Azure

Was 'One' boring to you too?

Otherwise, I agree with your prior comments too.

No, I love "One". This song is just very vanilla until that point in the song and I don't even think the heavy stuff after that is anything to write home about.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

YES!!


Metallica, to me, has put out 5 albums: Kill em All, Lightning, Puppets, Garage Days and Justice. That's it. Hopefully, this new album becomes their 6th.

It's important to realize that, when talking about Metallica, we're talking about a band that practically invented an entire genre of music... and then, 5 albums into their career, completely turned their backs on the entire genre and the millions of fans that loved their music.

Fans of 90% of the bands in the world will say the same thing about their bands. "The first five records were awesome - the rest was crap after that". A true artist can't just keep releasing the same record over and over again.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by troutman

Fans of 90% of the bands in the world will say the same thing about their bands. "The first five records were awesome - the rest was crap after that". A true artist can't just keep releasing the same record over and over again.

Yeah, RHCP fans are pretty much the same way.

[GoinAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by Azure

I like all their stuff.

Even St. Anger.

A good song for sure but would have been so much better if they didn't have that guy yelling "YOU FLUSH IT OUT!!" during the course.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by troutman

Fans of 90% of the bands in the world will say the same thing about their bands. "The first five records were awesome - the rest was crap after that". A true artist can't just keep releasing the same record over and over again.

Bands are screwed. Either they change and get blasted for not doing the same as they previously did (ie Metallica), or they don't change and get blasted for doing the same old boring thing over and over again (Nickelback).

I'm a huge Tragically Hip fan. I like all their stuff, some of it more than others. They too had a huge drop off of fans after their 4th or 5th album because they changed things up.

I also like Our Lady Peace. I don't care much for their newer stuff as much as I liked their older stuff. I just didn't buy their last two or three albums instead of getting my knickers in a bunch because one of my favorite bands newer stuff didn't appeal to me as much as their older stuff.

Bands change. Unfortunately some fans can't.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Buff

Bands are screwed. Either they change and get blasted for not doing the same as they previously did (ie Metallica), or they don't change and get blasted for doing the same old boring thing over and over again (Nickelback).

Nickelback gets blasted because they continually suck.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I have to admit, I have no understanding of Metallica fans, especially the old school ones. Isn't the Black album recognized as a classic?

Like fanIn80 stating the first 3 minutes of the new song suck...so should the entire 8 minute song be full of speed riffs and shredding? Should entire Metallica albums be full of that?

I'm not a Metallica fan so I'm not trying to defend them or anything, but it seems to me that more than any group of fans, the older Metallica fans just can't accept them straying from their orignal metal sound. Which I find really strange because I tend to favour artists that push into different territory as their career progresses.

I'm fine with them straying from their original metal sound. As an 18 year old kid, I was shocked and disappointed when I first heard the self titled album. Personally, I was expecting something to top ....And Justice For All. After listening to it numerous times it grew on me. I would not consider it in the same class though as the previous Albums. In the mean time I have been able to find plenty of other metal albums to fill the void left by Metallica back in 1991. I still listen to Justice all the time though. It just kicks so much ass.

[habernac]

Like most bands, this one peaked. IMO, it was with Master of Puppets (Justice is a good album, but not as good as Puppets). The 90's stuff was ok, I could always find a good tune or 3 on those albums. But St Anger gave me absolutely nothing. Terrible, terrible, terrible album. I can't listen to it at all. hopefully, Rick Rubin has done his homework and helped Metallica get back on track.

[Azure]

18 million copies sold and counting says the Black Album was pretty good.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Azure

18 million copies sold and counting says the Black Album was pretty good.

I heard Fergie's last album also sold a few million...

[Azure]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I heard Fergie's last album also sold a few million...

Must be a few million whacky people out there, eh?

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Buff

I'm a huge Tragically Hip fan. I like all their stuff, some of it more than others. They too had a huge drop off of fans after their 4th or 5th album because they changed things up.

I think the last 4-5 Hip records is easily their best work (except music@work, which I have not heard much of). You don't get to hear them much because radio is paralyzed into playing the old Hip songs over and over.

[metallicat]

As for the Hip, their new stuff grows on me all the time. I hated Trouble At Th Henhouse when it first came out, but now it is one of my favorite Hip albums. Great stuff. I'll keep buying them.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by troutman

I think the last 4-5 Hip records is easily their best work (except music@work, which I have not heard much of). You don't get to hear them much because radio is paralyzed into playing the old Hip songs over and over.

It is really unfortunate. You'll hear the first release of their album, and you'll hear it quite a bit, but then the stations will go back to the older Hip songs, but not the best of the old.

[FanIn80]

I think it's important to remember that Metallica didn't just "change their sound." It's not like Motley Crue deciding to start using a keyboard...

They literally changed musical genres. They practically invented the whole "Speed/Death Metal" genre, and then right in the prime of their careers, switched over to "really heavy rock n roll."

It's like... I don't know... Zeppelin pretty much created the whole arena rock thing, right? Well imagine them, a two years after releasing IV, announcing that they want to go in a different direction. So, you run to the store to pick up Houses of the Holy... you run home and toss it onto your record player... and it's frickin gospel music.

That's how extreme this was. From Speed/Thrash/Death to Rock, completely overnight. It's not like there were a lot of really good bands to take their place either. Megadeth, Sacred Reich, etc etc. But none of these bands could hold a candle to Metallica.

It created a huge hole that was pretty tough to fill. Not to mention it really sucked to see all the ignorant pricks who used to mock us for listening to Metallica now standing in line to buy their new rock album.


...and I think World Container is one of the Hip's best albums.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

It's like... I don't know... Zeppelin pretty much created the whole arena rock thing, right? Well imagine them, a two years after releasing IV, announcing that they want to go in a different direction. So, you run to the store to pick up Houses of the Holy... you run home and toss it onto your record player... and it's frickin gospel music.

Most long-lived bands end up doing something like this.

Ex. Rolling Stones - Emotional Rescue

Queen - Hot Space

Rush - doing rap? Roll The Bones

[Crispy's Critter]

Originally Posted by PowerPlayoffs06

It seems pretty arrogant and stuck up to me to proclaim that everything after Justice isn't Metallicas "real stuff."

Actually it's very true to say that. Because it wasn't Metallica's stuff, it was Bob Rock's version of Metallica's stuff. Bob Rock is known as a "hitmaker". He takes a band's song concept, waters it down, overproduces and oversimplifies it in order to make it radio friendly. Hell, he even goes so far as to write and play on the band's albums, completely overstepping his boundaries. Before the black album, Metallica had a raw, edgy, and somewhat complex sound that they lost when Rock got hold of them. As Fanin80 says, they wrote complex operatic-type songs that were fast, gritty and melodic. With the black album, the departure from those songs couldn't have been more complete, as they were all of a sudden churning out 4-minute, assembly line sounding radio and video friendly songs that (and this is the true crime in fan's eyes who had listened to the earlier stuff) sounded just like everything else out there at the time.

As far as your name calling and such, you really need to stop that, because it really shows your ignorance of music at the time. And by that I'm not calling you down, as you say you were an infant when Metallica first came out, so you couldn't possibly understand what was happening then.

You need to realize that at the time Metallica came around, basically the hardest thing out there was probably Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, and Ozzy who really weren't all that well known over here anyway, so we were being bombarded with crap like madonna, the go-go's, lionel ritchie, the cars, etc. (in other words, mainstream garbage that would make you cringe just hearing the first few notes) There were really no FM stations around that played anything harder, although there were some AM stations that had shows on for an hour or two on a friday or saturday night that played the harder 70's stuff, like Zeppelin, Queen, T-Rex, that sort of stuff. All of a sudden we get word of a band that is smoking fast, really hard, and incredibly talented as musicians, something that we had been waiting for. It was an entirely new genre of music that spawned many imitators, and started a musical revolution on the same scale as Nirvana did in the 90's. For a lot of people, Metallica became the band that spoke to them, for them, and, most importantly, was thiers. Some people saw Metallica as musical saviours, and became incredibly engrossed in the band and the music. And no doubt to some fans, they probably felt in a world where their parent's, teachers, siblings, etc didn't understand them all they had was Metallica. (overly dramatic to be sure, but there were people out there like that, I've seen it firsthand)

Then after 5 short albums they become Rock-isized, and became a bland, overpolished shell of what they once were, and as FanIn80 has also pointed out, completely changed musical styles overnight. To those people completely wrapped up in Metallica, the change was probably devastating to them.

Personally by the time that album came out there were enough other bands out there basically playing the same type of music that I had moved on, so I never really got caught up in the whole backlash against them. But I will tell you that when I finally did get around to buying it it got used for pellet gun target practice after one listen.

*sorry, didn't mean for this to get so long

[PowerPlayoffs06]

Originally Posted by Crispy's Critter

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... And by that I'm not calling you down, as you say you were an infant when Metallica first came out, so you couldn't possibly understand what was happening then.

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That's like saying that unless you lived through it, people can't possibly know what was happening during the World Wars. Or unless you were alive in '69, you're doomed to forever be clueless about what Woodstock was about. I guess all historians are just playing make-believe, because obviously, they couldn't possibly understand what was happening hundreds of years in the past.

[Crispy's Critter]

Originally Posted by PowerPlayoffs06

That's like saying that unless you lived through it, people can't possibly know what was happening during the World Wars. Or unless you were alive in '69, you're doomed to forever be clueless about what Woodstock was about. I guess all historians are just playing make-believe, because obviously, they couldn't possibly understand what was happening hundreds of years in the past.

actually it's not like that at all. You can always know the facts of something that happened in the past, and the circumstances surrounding it, but you can never truly understand the mindset of the people who went through it unless you were there yourself. No need to get defensive. Going by your own remarks it is easy to see you didn't understand why people were so polarized by that album. I was simply trying to show you that it was a much more complex issue for a lot of people than you're oversimplification of "you guys are whiny babies".