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Old 06-04-2008, 04:02 PM   #81
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My friend has a female cat named Barley that just doesn't like most people and runs away from you. I miss Barley even though she treats me like dirt. I guess that's why I like cats. They are like girls.
HAH! I don't know how many times I've said this to people. The more they act like they hate me, the more I want them to love me!!

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I don't have a problem with cats being declawed, I think of it as surgery, and we all recover from it. If it meant destroying a cat from a shelter or bringing it home and declawing it, the cat would probably rather be declawed. I can understand why some people have an issue though, we all have our different views. I think the idea of getting a bit older cat is a great idea, kittens are cute but not for long, and they destroy your house!
I''m going to agree that when you compare it to death, de-clawing "isn't as bad".

However, to compare it to surgery is naive and "human-centric". The closest surgery you could compare it to is having your ten fingers and ten toes all cut off at the first knuckle at the same time without your permission or you knowing it's going to happen. You just wake up, and they're gone.

- It will mess up their balance for the rest of their lives (do I have to explain why this is important?).
- It will give them an inferiority complex as they know they can't defend themselves (even if they never have to) and this will make them more nervous and sketchy around other people/pets/and you.

Also, cats aren't just scratching things cause they want to rip them up or sharpen their claws or whatever. Watch them.... they are stretching. That's why if they are de-clawed they continue to make the scratching motions... they are trying to stretch. This stretching is hugely important to their overall health, especially if they are indoors all the time.

FTR, my mother de-clawed every cat she ever had when I was younger (until she learned what she was really doing). She has since stopped and I have never done it to mine. You CAN tell the difference.

Anyway, sorry to pick on you but this is just not a matter of "differing views"... one is quite clearly correct, and one is quite clearly cruel.

Get a spray bottle. Cats aren't stupid. They'll learn what they can scratch and what they can't. Please, please, please do not de-claw them. And if you do, even after learning the truth, don't you ever tell anyone you love your pet, because quite simply, you do not.

Oh, one more benefit, a cat with no claws could never have posed for this picture:




And FTR, this was an old chair that was designated her "scratching chair". At this age (~8 months old) she knew enough to bring any toy (or TP) she wanted to play with onto that chair and not the nic(er) couch right next to it. This was also taken at 4am on my way to the bathroom.... man did I laugh. BUSTED!!

Also, I wanted to add that a cheap, widely available and still healthy cat food is IAMS. Was recommended to me by a vet. My little girl (in the picture) had an awful hairball problem when she was really young as she is quite preoccupied with having beautiful fur. I switched from the regular IAMS to the hairball preventing IAMS and no more hairballs. The stuff is only like 6 bucks at friggin' Wal-mart and as such people lump it in with the Meow-Mixes and that other crap but it is actually very good for them. Food quality is often overlooked by new cat owners. You can't just feed them garbage and expect them to be healthy.

And with that, I will wrap up the most edited post in Cal-puck history.
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Old 06-04-2008, 08:25 PM   #82
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aw what a cute kitty!!!!!!!
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Old 06-04-2008, 10:25 PM   #83
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Anyway, sorry to pick on you but this is just not a matter of "differing views"... one is quite clearly correct, and one is quite clearly cruel.


Well as I said, that is my opinion. Of course you think your opinion is right and I think mine is, that's why they are called opinions right? If I rescued I cat I would have it declawed, otherwise I'd have to let it be euthenized instead. I don't agree with the health issue either...my sisters de-clawed cat lived happily for 14 years and my moms for 15 years. I know it hurts them, but like us with surgery, we get over it. My sister just had her cat done and he got over it in a week. Sorry I disagree with you, I do respect your opinion and it might be cruel but I am only comparing it to putting it to sleep as apposed to having it de-clawed. That's why I said I don't have a cat. I wouldn't want one because I wouldn't want to have to do that to a cat.
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Old 06-04-2008, 10:30 PM   #84
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It isn't so much opinion as fact. There is a reason why many vets will no longer declaw cats, and chances are there wont be any willing to torture animals in the future.

The last cat my mom had declawed hung himself on our fence trying to escape a dog that was chasing him. Without the claws, he couldn't get up the fence properly, and then couldn't get purchase to free himself. The cat slowly strangled to death.

But yeah, it's just "opinion".
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Old 06-04-2008, 10:31 PM   #85
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I'm in the "De-clawing a cat is brutal" camp. At the major rescue here in Denver, when you rescue a cat you have to sign a document saying you will not have it de-clawed, or they wont let you adopt it. Any vet I've asked has said about the same thing that Save Us said. It is akin to pulling out your fingernails clear down to the bone. A better option for a cat is softpaws. Basically little rubber tips for the claws. They keep their claws, balance, etc and you get to keep your couches.
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Old 06-04-2008, 10:34 PM   #86
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The Calgary SPCA is the same. If you won't sign a contract stating you will not have the cat declawed, you are SOL.
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Old 06-04-2008, 10:35 PM   #87
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It isn't so much opinion as fact. There is a reason why many vets will no longer declaw cats, and chances are there wont be any willing to torture animals in the future.

The last cat my mom had declawed hung himself on our fence trying to escape a dog that was chasing him. Without the claws, he couldn't get up the fence properly, and then couldn't get purchase to free himself. The cat slowly strangled to death.

But yeah, it's just "opinion".
You are not supposed to let de-clawed cats out of the house. Every vet tells you this when you get the cat done. I still don't think its that cruel. What about having dogs tails docked? That is useless and cruel if you ask me. Alot of people won't get cats because they have claws, so I think if de-clawing was done more, less cats would be put to sleep, in my opinion
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Old 06-04-2008, 10:59 PM   #88
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I cut my cat's claws once a week, and in the same session brush his teeth with something the vet gave me. He's over 5 years old and his teeth have never needed scaling (save money!)

How do I do this you may ask (as cats pretty much hate both of these activities more than anything)? I get a towel and pounce on him, wrapping him up while he's sleeping. I cut his claws and brush his fangs while he is dazed and immobilized. He's used to it and doesn't protest much anymore, but he still needs to be wrapped up, or else I'll bleed.
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Old 06-05-2008, 01:37 AM   #89
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Aw well I met the kitty tonight as we went to the cat's foster home (she was rescued through that group that one of you nice CPers recommended and is now being fostered) and she is great!

Because she is declawed she doesnt get along with other kitties - I guess she feels defenseless and so doesnt like it. Although she doesnt mind doggies at all - the foster home had an 8 year old beagle and Fido and Fluffy played. It was adorable.

She's a great cat, and at 5 was having a hard time being adopted because most people want kitties. After reading this thread, articles on the Internet, and talking to friends, the 5 year old cat was perfect!

We're changing her name to Molly. We get her on Sunday. We're going to go buy her things between now and then.

I can't wait! The only downside is that I"m so used to having a dog, I kept calling the kitty over to me, expecting her to sit..HAHAH.
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Old 06-09-2008, 12:02 AM   #90
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my husband and i brought our new kitty MOLLY home today! she's great, so nice and wanting to be cuddled. she's not skittish. she's much more indpenedant than a doggy but so much less work too. i am looking forward to having a happy and long life with Molly McGee
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Old 06-21-2008, 06:08 PM   #91
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we've had our cat for 2 weeks or so now and i wanted to say she's great...its SO much different than owning a dog (which is great too but they're more work and if youre a working professional sometimes its hard to spend the time they need and exercise them). whereas with cats, they like it if you're around every once in a while, but other than food, water, a clean literbox and some toys, they dont need much
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Old 06-21-2008, 06:57 PM   #92
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Just get three more, and you'll have my household. My roommate calls her collection of cats the zoo, with good reason.

Glad you are enjoying the cat.
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