Another Random Swarming in Calgary

[redforever]

Originally Posted by HelloHockeyFans

Discussing these types of issues always interests me because I personally grew up with two different friends who both have turned out to be major criminals... all while seemingly being brought up in fairly good families IMO.

One of the guys, was raised in an extremely strict family where they pretty much lived in extreme fear of their father. He didn't dare do anything when we were young that he thought his dad would not approve of and after school, would scurry home right away to meet the after-school curfew his dad set out for him. He'd stay in on weekends and be occupied with homework or home tutoring.

Checking in with other friends (I don't talk to him any more), apparently the guy has been in and out of jail and is pretty high up in the criminal world with people who answer to him.

What happened???!

Another guy, raised in a religious family, baptized at birth like his brothers and sisters. Parents were divorced, but they kept things very civil and even spent XMAS together "as a family" for the kids. Father was again fairly strict when they were young.

Last I heard, the younger brother just got out of jail recently and the older one is another big shot in that world.

Again, what the hell happened??

In both these cases, I knew them extremely well growing up and neither of the families ever showed the tendencies being discussed in this thread (spoiling the kids, not disciplining the kids when they do wrong, etc.). And to add to this, both kids came from upper-class families. I don't get it.

Too strict is just as bad as too lenient, sometimes even worse. The children who grow up in such authoritarian households never get to experience living in the real world making decisions on their own. Then when they do get out in the real world, away from the authoritarian figured that dominated their lives for 18 years and without the ability to make good decisions, they quite often end up making very poor decisions and going wild, wild, wild.

No, they don't all end up as criminals. But part of the duty of a parent is to raise your children giving them the skills to make good decisions as they go through life. Now of course, if they would be making a decision that would be harmful to them, while they are still living under your roof, it is also your obligation to step in, but you also have to let kids fall down as they grow up too.

I dont know what the situation is with the families of these kids who did the swarming, but it is mind boggling to think that packs of them can be of the same mindset.

[Jetsfan]

I agree that it is time for the government to change the law and allow citizens to carry concealed weapons. I don't feel safe walking by myself.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Jetsfan

I agree that it is time for the government to change the law and allow citizens to carry concealed weapons. I don't feel safe walking by myself.

Yes, because the U.S has clearly shown that allowing people to carry weapons will lead to a safer society.

[worth]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Yes, because the U.S has clearly shown that allowing people to carry weapons will lead to a safer society.

How many people with concealed permit licenses do you hear murdering people? None. That's because people who go through the trouble to legally license their weapons and take courses on gun safety don't shoot people. They are concerned citizens who are fighting back against criminals if they happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The problem in the US is the HUGE amount of ILLEGAL weapons. I don't think there are many criminals around carrying legally licensed firearms.

If i'm getting gang beaten to a pulp i'd rather have a weapon to defend myself in some way rather than call the police and wait for 5 minutes. Sometimes time counts. Relying on the police to help in a situation similar to this isn't viable. When you allow responsible people the ability to carry a weapon to defend themselves, you add another layer of safety to the public.

This is of course my opinion and I know many won't agree with it, and that's fine. More than anything I just want the ability to defend myself if someone happens to come onto my property wielding a gun. There have been court cases where homeowners shoot and kill an intruder and have to spend thousands of dollars in court fees and other things that are just ridiculous. It shouldn't be like that IMO.