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Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz
Which is my point exactly. Why is it that YOU are able to seperate the beliefs/actions of a person or group, but the church and theists in gereral cannot and by disapproving of these actions/beliefs are teaching hate?
Humanism is starting to sound like my kind of train of thought, you can use a double standard any time you want and then blame the other guy.
And why is it that Atheist extremists cannot be dangerous fundamentalists as well? Was not the holocaust an example of this? A non religious group using religion as a basis for persocution? Seems to me a disrespect for religion can be just as dangerous.
"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together."
-Adolf Hitler July 11th 1941
So perhaps Atheism and Religion are just two sides of the coin. I wonder what we can call a fundamentalist Humanist? Hmmmm...i would suggest cheese head, but I think packer fans would be offended.
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I am against theism
period. Theism of any type or kind. Its not up to me to prove a theists point, thats their job! This doesnt make me predjudiced, hateful or bigoted. I have said it over and over. I have ALSO stated on many occasions that my
BIGGEST beef with theism is in the teachings of these fantasies to
children as fact.
The problem that I run into is as apparent as White Doors nose. Theists attack me on what I say because they have no proof of anything I ask or suggest. So...if i continue to ask them for this proof, that puts me in the same boat as theists who have been brainwashing millions of people for centuries?
White Door and a few others see me asking these questions and come right out of left field with responses that are not only nonsense, they are comical.
So what if I suggest that the Bible or any theistic nonsense is a fairytale? Does this put me on equal footing with those who strap bombs to their bodies and kill dozens of inocent people? Will this deny me 76 virgins after I die?
Am I on a pulpit? Not the same one Priests, Ministers, Rabbis or any other cleric gets to use on a daily basis. Am I on a message board pulpit? Maybe. It completely depends on the angle you want to look at it.
I personally think that the vast majority of theists just want me to shut up and go away, me and the millions of Humanists that are now deciding enough is enough. There are Humanists that are quiet and help out by doing many other things, charitable causes, educating, pioneering. I choose not to be quiet. As a result, and fully expected, theists jump out of the woodwork. The problem is they never jump out with an answer.
There are only a few posters on this subject who understand both sides very well. I respect and admire a theist who can argue his point well, with some type of education behind him, and without the standard line of I must be a Communist, or something else along that line, because I do not believe in "their" god<sic>. I count amongst my friends many of varying cultures and creeds. I also have a tremendous friend who happens to be a Pastor in a local church. We have fantastic discussions on religion over a few beers.
I think he leaves my house with new ideas, new understandings that Atheists arent Satanists as preached for centuries before. I also get a better understanding of his point of view.
So....and I wont go this far again....if you dont want to read my comments put me on ignore and you will feel better about things. I will try not to ignore your comments.
By the way...Hitler was a Catholic.
Hitler’s involvement with the Church:
a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.
b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)
c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.
d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.
f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party.
The Humanists would welcome you and your ideas Shantz! It takes all kinds.
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