[PGT] Rags 1 Flames 5

[MrButtons]

PGT's are not nearly as time wastey on the workday when we win, come on y'all I need the distraction.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I wonder if the Rangers have a failed rebuild, or just an issue with culture? Defensively, I thought that they were a train-wreck. I don't think Sullivan is the right fit as a coach for them either (though maybe he proves me wrong). I can't think of who would be a good coach there, to be honest, but it is almost as if you need a coach that will come in and turn their culture around. Panarin is only 33, so I am not sure how quickly the wheels have fallen off (120 pts two seasons ago, 89 last season).


Fox is looking like a player you shouldn't even care to boo any longer. He looked small, slow, and irrelevant for much of the game. Shesterkin looked human. Miller looked angry, and not much else. Zary looked like a much better center than Zibanejad in all three zones, but especially in the defensive zone (and I don't think Zary is very good defensively!). Lafreniere looked like a player that I would expect a big add with in order for me to be happy with trading Gridin to them. He looked slow, and completely lost on the ice.


They seem like a confused team with bad culture, and how are much less than the sum of their parts. I am betting it is a culture thing. I am betting a coach like Jim Montgomery would be able to turn them around more, or Jon Cooper perhaps. I just realized there aren't very many coaches that I have a high opinion of these days, as i really can't think of a fit.


Or maybe they are just cooked now. I don't see a crappy lineup, but I certainly see a crappy team there.

[Jiri Hrdina]

It's partly a failed re-build because their high picks haven't delivered. From 2017 to 2021 their high picks were: Lias Andersson, Filip Chytil, Vitali Kravtsov, K'Andre Miller, Nils Lundkvist, Olof Lindbom, Kaapo Kakko, Matthew Robertson, Alexis Lafreniere, Braden Schneider, Will Cuyle, Brendan Othman.

Given the number of picks and how many of them were higher, that needed to deliver more of their core. It failed to do that, and so now the actual players that have been the core (Panarin, Zib, Fox) are starting to get older, or aren't as good as originally thought. And they don't have the players coming from behind now to replace them.

So it seems like they are moving further away from contending. The window is closing and it never really opened.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It's partly a failed re-build because their high picks haven't delivered. From 2017 to 2021 their high picks were: Lias Andersson, Filip Chytil, Vitali Kravtsov, K'Andre Miller, Nils Lundkvist, Olof Lindbom, Kaapo Kakko, Matthew Robertson, Alexis Lafreniere, Braden Schneider, Will Cuyle, Brendan Othman.

Given the number of picks and how many of them were higher, that needed to deliver more of their core. It failed to do that, and so now the actual players that have been the core (Panarin, Zib, Fox) are starting to get older, or aren't as good as originally thought. And they don't have the players coming from behind now to replace them.

So it seems like they are moving further away from contending. The window is closing and it never really opened.

Florida killed any momentum of another SCF. They were just the better team. Teams like the Leafs, Lightning, Rangers, Hurricanes, etc. all need to figure out a way to beat Florida.

EDIT: Ironically, Treliving helped build Florida's identity to what they are today, and he can't get past them.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Happy to wake up to a Flames W. Seems like a lot of key players looked good last night too, which is perfect.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

Either this game represents a turning point or is simply a one off. Time will tell.

Performances like this won't be the norm as the season goes on, but performances earlier that lead to the 1-7-1 start also won't be the norm for this team unless they move, Coleman, Andersson and Kadri.

If or when that happens, the bottom falls out entirely. But when you have the above surrounding Weegar, Bahl, Backlund, Huberdeau, Coronato etc. and Wolf keeping the team in many games, they are just simply not going to be the cellar dweller and are more likely to be in the 7-12 range for the lottery imo.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It's partly a failed re-build because their high picks haven't delivered. From 2017 to 2021 their high picks were: Lias Andersson, Filip Chytil, Vitali Kravtsov, K'Andre Miller, Nils Lundkvist, Olof Lindbom, Kaapo Kakko, Matthew Robertson, Alexis Lafreniere, Braden Schneider, Will Cuyle, Brendan Othman.

Given the number of picks and how many of them were higher, that needed to deliver more of their core. It failed to do that, and so now the actual players that have been the core (Panarin, Zib, Fox) are starting to get older, or aren't as good as originally thought. And they don't have the players coming from behind now to replace them.

So it seems like they are moving further away from contending. The window is closing and it never really opened.

And even though he was responsible for that drafting I still think the first mistake was firing Jeff Gorton and hiring Chris Drury.

Gorton is doing a pretty good job in Montreal now since being hired there.

[flame4life]

Once we got the 2nd goal, I didn't know what to do with myself. Forgot what it was like to score more 1 goals. Five goal celebrations was a little taxing on my emotional well being - lol. They at least looked they cared last night, and gave a better effort, although far from complete 60 minute game.
They definitely will pick up a few more wins playing like they did last night, but they are far from a juggernaut and still are a non-playoff team that is for sure.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Good luck with that wish. We are making the playoffs playing in this piece of crap division.

Third place Kings are on a 90 point pace.

The Flames would need to go 42-29-1 for an 82 game pace that exceeds their point total last season by a point to catch them.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It's partly a failed re-build because their high picks haven't delivered. From 2017 to 2021 their high picks were: Lias Andersson, Filip Chytil, Vitali Kravtsov, K'Andre Miller, Nils Lundkvist, Olof Lindbom, Kaapo Kakko, Matthew Robertson, Alexis Lafreniere, Braden Schneider, Will Cuyle, Brendan Othman.

Given the number of picks and how many of them were higher, that needed to deliver more of their core. It failed to do that, and so now the actual players that have been the core (Panarin, Zib, Fox) are starting to get older, or aren't as good as originally thought. And they don't have the players coming from behind now to replace them.

So it seems like they are moving further away from contending. The window is closing and it never really opened.

Kakko and Laf were pretty rough outcomes for 2nd and 1st overall picks

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So it seems like they are moving further away from contending. The window is closing and it never really opened.

They went to go walk through their contention patio door only to realize the contention patio screen door wasn't open. Awkward, and hard not to trip all over yourself and feel embarrassed as you attempt to recover.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It's partly a failed re-build because their high picks haven't delivered. From 2017 to 2021 their high picks were: Lias Andersson, Filip Chytil, Vitali Kravtsov, K'Andre Miller, Nils Lundkvist, Olof Lindbom, Kaapo Kakko, Matthew Robertson, Alexis Lafreniere, Braden Schneider, Will Cuyle, Brendan Othman.

Given the number of picks and how many of them were higher, that needed to deliver more of their core. It failed to do that, and so now the actual players that have been the core (Panarin, Zib, Fox) are starting to get older, or aren't as good as originally thought. And they don't have the players coming from behind now to replace them.

So it seems like they are moving further away from contending. The window is closing and it never really opened.

Lias Andreson - 2017 #7 overall - Traded for 2nd round pick. Now in Europe.

Vitali Kravtsov - 2018 #9 overall - Traded for Will Lockwood and a seventh round draft pick in 2026.

Kappo Kakko - 2019 #2 overall - Traded for Will Borgen, and a third- and sixth-round pick in the 2025 NHL Draft.

Alex Lafreniere - 2020 #1 overall - Still on the Rangers, but not that good.

Having that be the result of four consecutive top 10 picks, will kill a rebuild. Part of that is bad scouting and part of that is bad management. The Rangers are doing an awful job developing their own talent and seem to be actively alienating their own young players.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by flame4life

Once we got the 2nd goal, I didn't know what to do with myself. Forgot what it was like to score more 1 goals. Five goal celebrations was a little taxing on my emotional well being - lol. They at least looked they cared last night, and gave a better effort, although far from complete 60 minute game.
They definitely will pick up a few more wins playing like they did last night, but they are far from a juggernaut and still are a non-playoff team that is for sure.

They scored 3 the previous game

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Third place Kings are on a 90 point pace.

The Flames would need to go 42-29-1 for an 82 game pace that exceeds their point total last season by a point to catch them.

37-24-11 is definitely do-able since we have only played 1 game against the Canucks, Kings, Kraken, Ducks, and Sharks.

8 game losing streak and we are only 1 point behind the Sharks, 4 points behind the Ducks and 5 behind the Oilz and Canucks

[FBI]

Wow they hate Lafreniere, I would take him..

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by flame4life

Once we got the 2nd goal, I didn't know what to do with myself. Forgot what it was like to score more 1 goals. Five goal celebrations was a little taxing on my emotional well being - lol. They at least looked they cared last night, and gave a better effort, although far from complete 60 minute game.
They definitely will pick up a few more wins playing like they did last night, but they are far from a juggernaut and still are a non-playoff team that is for sure.

Agreed. People talking about playoffs after their first win in 8 is wild. But as a former team "just get in" member, if it helps you enjoy the games more then all the power to you I guess.

It also doesn't matter if bubble teams are on a lower than usual pace presently. The pace was lower early in the season last year too (we were talking about 92 or 93 points being enough to get in), but teams always pick it up down the stretch and that playoff line number comes up to what you'd typically expect.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Kakko and Laf were pretty rough outcomes for 2nd and 1st overall picks

Smell like change of scenery beneficiaries to me.

[FBI]

I liked Zary at center, noticed him way more than usual..

[CroFlames]

Even the tankiest tankers will get 30 wins. Can't lose em all, so this is OK. Frig Adam Fox.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Agreed. People talking about playoffs after their first win in 8 is wild. But as a former team "just get in" member, if it helps you enjoy the games more then all the power to you I guess.

It also doesn't matter if bubble teams are on a lower than usual pace presently. The pace was lower early in the season last year too (we were talking about 92 or 93 points being enough to get in), but teams always pick it up down the stretch and that playoff line number comes up to what you'd typically expect.

The number went up in the west but not in the east. You can't always predict what the end number will be.