Conny is a friggin beauty.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I hope Conroy can bring us a cup, I really don't want to see the day where the masses turn on him.

I remember all the Treliving is a wizard talk for years, and now he's supposedly the worst GM the Flames have ever had.

Goes with the territory I guess.

Right?

Let's not forget that after the first few trades Treliving made, the feeling around here is that he could do no wrong.

I love Conroy, and I love what he is doing, but he, too, WILL make mistakes. Hopefully, he doesn't get completely personified by them the way Treliving has. Treliving did a lot of great things, and a lot of pretty awful things. They all count.

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[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Murrey's fault again!

So are we going to give him credit for all the good moves now or does he only get blamed for the bad ones? I suppose I should have said IMO but it certainly seemed like Tre was reckless with the future because he has one foot out the door. Given his family connections with the Leafs owner I wouldn't be surprised.

On what planet did Brad earn one of the highest profile GM jobs in the league? Especially immediately after his biggest blunders.

IMO

Owners aren't the ones suggesting trades, but they are likely involved in most decisions involving key pieces (expensive players, high draft picks).

Do you can still blame Treliving as he brought it to him!

The hockey world may see Treliving differently than those that just hate every player or executive that leaves the team.

[Strange Brew]

You have to give Conroy his due. The degree of difficulty of what he is trying to do is much harder than most of what Treliving did.

When Treliving was a seller, he was pretty much just auctioning off players for the most amount of draft capital possible. I just don't think that is all that hard.

Conroy trying to balance futures, present day help, get a little younger, keep salary cap flexibility.

My complaint of Treliving was that every move seemed to be mostly about the next season.

As a first year GM, Conroy is navigating some tricky situations.

[Kipper_3434]

If Conroy trades Markstrom for good value he will immediately become a top gm in my books. He's shown great poise and forward thinking with all 3 trades so far, if he makes the other 3 I'm hoping for and continues to add picks and young roster players........��

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Owners aren't the ones suggesting trades, but they are likely involved in most decisions involving key pieces (expensive players, high draft picks).

Do you can still blame Treliving as he brought it to him!

The hockey world may see Treliving differently than those that just hate every player or executive that leaves the team.

Come on, Tre has made some massive blunders....his Leaf FA signings aren't exactly looking too hot at the moment.

I hate 2 players that left...dont be lazy when debating me on something you are better than that.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Wait a minute. Is Treliving related to Bell or Rogers? Because they own 75% of the Leafs between them, and I don't think they give two hoots in Hades about anyone's family connections when hiring a mid-level manager for one of their subsidiaries.

Chairman of MLSE I should have said

Tre isn't too popular amongst Leaf fans either right now for the "you are just a hater crowd"
They had two glaring weaknesses and he hasn't addressed either

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Come on, Tre has made some massive blunders....his Leaf FA signings aren't exactly looking too hot at the moment.

I hate 2 players that left...dont be lazy when debating me on something you are better than that.

I've never said Treliving didn't make blenders. Just suggesting he may have a higher league wide reputation than you think.

And don't tell me what to do.

I'm not being lazy and I am better than that.

[dino7c]

Well Tre has been bad on TO so far, pretty hard to debate

Poor signings, team doing worse, no action on goaltending or D. I certainly wouldn't have hired him based on his track record.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Well Tre has been bad on TO so far, pretty hard to debate

Poor signings, team doing worse, no action on goaltending or D. I certainly wouldn't have hired him based on his track record.

Some serious head scratchers for sure.

Biggest negative that's come out on him in my mind though is the locking his door and doing it himself. That's too old school.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Chairman of MLSE I should have said

I'm missing something here.

How exactly is Treliving related to Larry Tanenbaum?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Some serious head scratchers for sure.

Biggest negative that's come out on him in my mind though is the locking his door and doing it himself. That's too old school.

Which seemed to happen later in his tenure.

If you split Treliving's tenure into his time with Burke and his time without Burke things start to look worse for Treliving as I feel like a lot of his best work came when Burke was still around and he was relying on more people than just himself to make decisions.

Always going to get into trouble if you're making decisions unilateraly...especially since it seems like it was in relation to pro-scouting.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Some serious head scratchers for sure.

Biggest negative that's come out on him in my mind though is the locking his door and doing it himself. That's too old school.

Maybe the biggest surprise about Treliving compared to what I was expecting when he was announced. Very much an old school GM in terms of what he values, style etc.

The Gulutzan coaching hire doesn’t really fit that description but otherwise he was very much a traditional GM IMO.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I'm missing something here.

How exactly is Treliving related to Larry Tanenbaum?

They both like pizza?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The number of things I've seen stated about Treliving as a matter of fact that are actually things inside his head, or at very least inside Flames offices has been astounding in the past couple of weeks.

Man...I am far, far from an insider, but I do taxes for a lot of people who work for the Flames, and I've heard lots of conflicting things.

I largely dont 'share' them because they're far from what I'd consider 'reliable' and its astonishing how much they include how people feel.

But they do constitute an element of how I form my own opinions.

I thought they should have fired him 3 years ago and I'm glad he's gone. I wish he'd been gone before being allowed to create this mess.

Toronto wants to snap him up? Good for them. Have fun with that.

People believe he created a mess and then ditched, my understanding is that the Flames didnt want him back.

[Ford Prefect]

Has anyone ever played poker against Connie at a Flames poker night? Based on how he handles trade negotiations I’m betting he’s a pretty good poker player.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Locke

Man...I am far, far from an insider, but I do taxes for a lot of people who work for the Flames, and I've heard lots of conflicting things.

A place I used to work at did a lot of work for the Flames, the crazy things I heard lol.

But I can say one thing: KK was an absolutely atrocious person.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Some serious head scratchers for sure.

Biggest negative that's come out on him in my mind though is the locking his door and doing it himself. That's too old school.

If you mean Shanahan is really calling the shots then I agree.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Shazam

A place I used to work at did a lot of work for the Flames, the crazy things I heard lol.

But I can say one thing: KK was an absolutely atrocious person.

I have had zero access to any stories about anything, and as such, I am not trying to defend anyone... but...

I feel like it should be noted that one person's "atrocious" is another person's "not a big deal."

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by Shazam

A place I used to work at did a lot of work for the Flames, the crazy things I heard lol.

But I can say one thing: KK was an absolutely atrocious person.

I only ever had one direct interaction with KK. I emailed him with a complaint and to his credit he phoned me back personally. On the downside though everything he told me to satisfy my concern turned out to be just hot air. So in that one incident he made both a good and a bad impression. I can totally see him giving off mixed signals and making different impressions with different people. That’s based on the smallest of sample sizes though.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Although I'm happy with Conroy's moves thus far, I think the comparison to Treliving isn't apples to apples yet.

Tre came in with the team at a different stage, and so the majority of his moves were fundamentally different in aim: balance contract situation for the youngsters to set up for success while bringing in pieces to put the team over the top.

For Conroy, the fan base is at rock bottom and they just want to see some draft picks and a young player or two. He's not yet at the stage that Tre largely resided in. I have my fingers crossed but I do think Conroy's job is a bit easier at this stage.