[Rumour] Francis: All contract talks on hold for Flames

[DoubleK]

This is the best Flames news I've heard in a very long time.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

At this point you like to hear it, but the fact that a 5 game sample size can so dramatically change a team's approach or direction moving forward is scary.

If we rattle five wins off in a row - are talks all the sudden back on?

It's not just how they lost, it's how they looked doing it. This isn't a bit of bad luck in a few close games, or a one off poor night, this is a consistent pattern of abysmal hockey.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Another indication this team has no plan and is flying by the seat of their pants. Sad to see. Had more hope for Conroy and would have hoped he learned from Treliving’s mistakes.

God forbid they pivot when things aren't going as expected. This is a good sign.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Why don't you wait for it before deciding it already sucks

If the objective is to trade Lindholm/Hanifin primarily for roster players - yes, it will suck. Again, I'm not evaluating a potential trade, just an errant strategy.

[Toonage]

What if its young players like Lundell out of Florida?

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Adapt? You make decisions on players and contracts while you have control. The player has all control now. This is a Treliving level mistake. Get the player signed before the season starts or get the player traded. Don’t let the problem sit there and get worse.

If only there were a type of market for players to be short term additions. That market could be coupled with some sort of deadline for trades. I can’t believe no one has thought of this before.

[Shazam]

They’re just using a euphemism. It’s a rebuild. Only thing is kadri markstrom and heuburdeau are immovable.

[ComixZone]

If Francis is right and there is no rebuild coming, then there is no hope.

The organization needs to rebuild. It’s not voodoo, it’s just a reality of the sport. As Bedard and the Blackhawks lap the Flames, that should be more than evident.

[TheIronMaiden]

There is no Rush now. Make a 3 year plan and execute it.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't need them to announce anything. I am simply awaiting the first transaction and hope it isn't another shortsighted whiff to try and remain relevant.

The market is so bad right now. If Toffoli gets you Sharangovich and a 3rd round pick after scoring 34 goals and 70 points, what does Lindholm get? 2nd and a prospect? He's not even playing well at the moment.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Ashes

"Significant Re-Tool" is the closest we will ever get to a true rebuild with this ownership group, so I'm going to choose to be optimistic about this news.. which is honestly an unfamiliar feeling for me, considering the state of the franchise over the last 2 years.

At the very least, this kind of statement shows that they aren't going to double down on this core and it gives Conroy from now until February to understand how many bidders and what the potential returns will be for Lindholm, Hanifin, and maybe others. This is a huge W (relatively speaking).

Significant re tool of what.

There’s nothing here.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I agree that they probably won't make any trades until at least US Thanksgiving, but I don't agree that no one has the cap room. Lindholm is $4.85M, retain half, and that's less than $2.5M, with the number decreasing daily. So acquiring Lindholm would only require moving a contract in the $2-2.5M range, and most teams probably have a young guy on a 2nd contract that would fit that bill, for whom they would trade to get Lindholm.



Exact same argument for Hanifin.

Exactly this, retaining salary this season or even taking back a "bad contract" that's expiring in 1 to 2 years to beef up the return is what needs to be done.

Picks over prospects should be the preference too.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Saqe

The market is so bad right now. If Toffoli gets you Sharangovich and a 3rd round pick after scoring 34 goals and 70 points, what does Lindholm get? 2nd and a prospect? He's not even playing well at the moment.

The Flames need to be willing to actually retain salary in a trade (they've only done it once for like $100K) to open up the pool of bidders, but I will not be excusing a poor trade for a player the calibre of Lindholm by this management group.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Toonage

What if its young players like Lundell out of Florida?

Doesn’t matter. He’s not good enough.

Just be bad and get good young players.

You have your arena deal, Edwards. No sense Spending $80M to piss everyone off.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Significant re tool of what.

There’s nothing here.

We’ll re-tool around Huberdeau, Kadri, Weegar, and Andersson - and if everything goes exactly perfect, the Flames will be able to establish themselves as a bubble team - which is apparently all they want to be.

[howard_the_duck]

The right call, but the process is a bit scary if you ask me.

5 game losing streak, let's scrap the plan to sign these guys for 8 years. Will it swing back the other direction if we go on a 5 game heater?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Better way way way way way way late than never.

Yup. I said they should have done this 2-3 months ago.

Conroy is smashing the 'Panic Button' like it owes him money.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

We’ll re-tool around Huberdeau, Kadri, Weegar, and Andersson - and if everything goes exactly perfect, the Flames will be able to establish themselves as a bubble team - which is apparently all they want to be.

Those two forwards are the main problem, they’re perfect for tanking.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

We’ll re-tool around Huberdeau, Kadri, Weegar, and Andersson - and if everything goes exactly perfect, the Flames will be able to establish themselves as a bubble team - which is apparently all they want to be.

That’s what they tried to do the last two years.

They can’t magic up players better than Hanifin and Lindholm, so What would be the point doing this again with even worse players that even fewer people care about.

Rhetorical…

[Burning Beard]

"radical new approach"

"significant re-tooling"

That sounds like a rebuild to me where they just don't want to call it that. Seems like a positive for people who were wanting them to do just that (myself included) but if you need them to state in clear black and white that they are rebuilding you might be waiting forever.