I like Jacob Markstrom

[cam_calderon]

Instead of being unable to handle McDavid and Draisaitl, he now can't handle a single NHL skater.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Jack Campbell having a worse save % makes me feel a smidge better. 0.886 for Campbell, 0.889 for Markstrom.

Issue is at least Skinner is playing at an average level for the Oilers.

Flames have nothing, and nothing to look forward to either as we all know there is no way Sutter puts a kid in at goal anytime.

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

It's negative IMO, but I don't think you sell low on him. Better off seeing if he can bounce back next year and at least put up average numbers.

If the plan is to bring up Wolf, then I think you move Vladar since Sutter doesn't seem to trust him. He's at a decent cap number but the return for goalies isn't great at the best of times.

I would say Sutter and Markstrom are the main reasons this team has failed this year. Markstrom has been bad all year, the amount of average games he had should have been the amount of bad games he had.

Sutter should not have been riding Markstrom as much as he did. Vladar has not played well in the back half of the season, however, Sutter should have been riding Vladar when he was playing well and was hot. a couple more wins early in the season and this team is in the playoffs.

Even last night, Vladar should have started, after Markstrom being pulled the game before and going into a back to back. Should have rewarded Wolf with a couple of games after the all star break as well, to see what we have in him. I get not playing him now, as there is a little more pressure then you would like to put on him, but when Markstrom had his kid would have been the most ideal time.

The fact that as fans we are nervous anytime the opposition puts any puck on the net in our zone, I can only imagine how the players feel. The goalie should be there to bail you out, when you make a mistake, but seems all of those are going in the net, so being afraid to make any sort of mistake must really take its toll.

This team isn't built to have to score 4+ goals a night. With our current goaltending, that is what is required.

As bad as Kadri was last night, Markstrom should have bailed the team out on at least 1 of those. If that was Duehr/Pelltier with those turnovers they wouldn't have seen the ice again and would likely be moved to the press box.

Sutter is big on you have to earn your ice time, well Kadri certainly did not last night, and if you hold everyone to the same standard, Kadri should be in the press box tonight.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

What's his trade value, anyway? Is it even positive or would you have to give up a second rounder to get rid of him?

I maintain he's tradeable because GM's will view this season as a one off and part of an overall team failure this season. The Leafs traded for Matt Murray last offseason after three years of declining stats and much lower probability of turning it around. Oilers signed Campbell to a 5 year contract. Enough said. There's more teams than there are legitimate starting goaltenders in this league so teams will always take a flyer on a goaltender that's got a history of good play. Maybe the team has to eat a bit of money on the contract but I don't see any scenario where they would have to add picks or prospects to sweeten a deal.

[cannon7]

Biggest problem with Markstrom is Sutter is playing him.

vs. CHI .826%
vs. ANA .778%
vs. VAN .800%

And he's likely going to get the nod again tonight. How do you win with SV% like that?

Vladar's stats aren't much better, but in the last 20 games he's played the team only went pointless in three games with a record of 13-3-4. It is clear this team plays better in front of him. Yet bafflingly Sutter keeps overplaying Markstrom.

One of Sutter or Markstrom has to go for this team to be competitive next year. Together they are clearly a recipe for disaster.

[ComixZone]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1643685022250016786

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I maintain he's tradeable because GM's will view this season as a one off and part of an overall team failure this season. The Leafs traded for Matt Murray last offseason after three years of declining stats and much lower probability of turning it around. Oilers signed Campbell to a 5 year contract. Enough said. There's more teams than there are legitimate starting goaltenders in this league so teams will always take a flyer on a goaltender that's got a history of good play. Maybe the team has to eat a bit of money on the contract but I don't see any scenario where they would have to add picks or prospects to sweeten a deal.

especially somewhere with no pressure...that seems to be what he struggles with. I bet he would turn it around in Columbus or something.

[FlamesAddiction]

Sutter really painted himself into a corner with the goaltenders. He basically has the choice between overplaying Markstrom, or putting in a goalie that is cold from lack of playing.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I maintain he's tradeable because GM's will view this season as a one off and part of an overall team failure this season. The Leafs traded for Matt Murray last offseason after three years of declining stats and much lower probability of turning it around. Oilers signed Campbell to a 5 year contract. Enough said. There's more teams than there are legitimate starting goaltenders in this league so teams will always take a flyer on a goaltender that's got a history of good play. Maybe the team has to eat a bit of money on the contract but I don't see any scenario where they would have to add picks or prospects to sweeten a deal.

The problem is his deal, three more years at six milliion. That's a big commitment to a 33 year old who's coming off a bad year. I'm sure you can move him but you have to take a similar deal back.


I think you ride him at least another year and expect a bounce back. It should be easier to move him then.

[dino7c]

Yeah you could always go Wolf/Markstom next year

but if someone is willing to take Markstom I think you do it

[jlh2640]

Does it matter? We win this game it just adds salt to the already septic wound. Markstrom can start, will not matter.

[cannon7]

Problem with Markstrom-Wolf is Sutter is still giving Markstrom 70 games and pissing away another season in the process Treliving (or his replacement) need to force Sutter's hand or force him out.

I'm more comfortable with Vladar-Wolf at this point, even with the Markstrom buyout cap hit.

[FlamesAddiction]

It just sucks that Vladar is still somewhat of a mystery box at this point. I can't recall, how many consecutive starts did he even have this season?

It's difficult to get a good read on a goalie when they are coming in cold all the time. He has let in a few softies, but no more so on average than Markstrom, yet he hasn't been given any rope or room to show he can be more if he plays more.

I'd prefer to go with Vladar and Wolf next season, because two mystery boxes scare me less than Markstrom at this point, but it would sure be nice to know more about Vladar's potential considering this is now his second year with the team.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1643685022250016786

Saw this posted in one of the replies:

Over the past 10 games Markstrom has 35 goals against (vs. 23.5 expected goals against), and has only saved more than expected in 2 of the 10 games.

But yes, keep playing him because there's a 20% chance he'll have a good game.

Is Labarbera tracking this? And does he have the backbone to tell Sutter? I have my doubts...

[Icantwhisper]

Unfortunately his salary for next 3 years is $8MM, $6MM, $6MM not easy to move.

[cannon7]

If you flip Vladar's (.640) and Markstrom's (.509) workloads and project their point percentage the Flames would have 93pts today.

Vladar would be approx 29-14-10 and Markstrom would be approx 10-10-5. Such a wasted season.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Jack Campbell having a worse save % makes me feel a smidge better. 0.886 for Campbell, 0.889 for Markstrom.

I haven't watched a ton of hockey this year, but from everything I've read Campbell has easily been the worst starting goalie in the league.

What helped the Oilers is realizing early that Campbell just wasn't going to rebound, and making him the backup instead.

Off topic, but have you seen Skinner? He's already got to have one of the top 5 moustaches in the league.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by cannon7

If you flip Vladar's (.640) and Markstrom's (.509) workloads and project their point percentage the Flames would have 93pts today.

Vladar would be approx 29-14-10 and Markstrom would be approx 10-10-5. Such a wasted season.

There's a lot of assumptions going into that conclusion.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There's a lot of assumptions going into that conclusion.

It's a projection. So yeah?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by cannon7

If you flip Vladar's (.640) and Markstrom's (.509) workloads and project their point percentage the Flames would have 93pts today.

Vladar would be approx 29-14-10 and Markstrom would be approx 10-10-5. Such a wasted season.

Since Vladar has had the easier teams, not particularly relevant.

Markly is better than Vladar.

Goalie wins are really a team stat.