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FlamesAddiction · 10-21-2021, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason14h

I remember Monahan sitting a game injured and we lost to the Oilers 7-0(1?) last year

It’s like none of you have ever been part of a team . He knows the team needs him . He gets paid very well to be a leader and top player . He isn’t going to sit out u less he is force too

He was sat the minute the Flames were out of the playoffs

I think Monahan has a responsibility to be honest with training staff and coaches about his condition, but I agree that no player is going to make the decision not to play. If the coaches didn't want to sit him and management didn't want to put him on IR, then his job is to play and that is what he is paid for.

I think all three sides are to blame a little bit here. Monahan for probably doing his best to mask how bad it really was. The coaches for not recognizing it or not caring. Management for not putting him on IR, and really, not having players or prospects that could hold the fort while Monahan was out.

Out of the three, I blame Monahan least. He gets paid to play and doesn't make roster decisions. The team has staff whose job it is to manage these things and I can't believe for a second that they thought Monahan was fit.

Poe969 · 10-21-2021, 05:35 PM

I really hate this team's "do everything you can to make the playoffs because anything can happen" mentality. They have poor asset management and make poor decisions with the players.

I really hope things get better moving forward.

Flamesfan05 · 10-21-2021, 06:21 PM

Tough to have to prove yourself like a rookie again after riding Johnny’s coattail for so long

dammage79 · 10-21-2021, 06:24 PM

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Tough to have to prove yourself like a rookie again after riding Johnny’s coattail for so long

Get outta here with this garbage.

TheChief · 10-21-2021, 08:26 PM

We had a potent attack when Monahan was at his best...

Tkachuk slotted nicely on the 2nd line with Backlund and that really worked well for quite a few seasons.

Now with Monahan all but a step away from the AHL and all the money Bradley has committed to him, we are thin as can be upfront. Just imagine if we didn't have Mangiapane (diamond in the rough) right now, the entire offence would be John (although it is 75 percent anyways).

I wouldn't trust Brad to manage a bath, his use of our cap space since he became GM has been atrocious. He will go down as the WORST GM in franchise history.

TheoFleury · 10-21-2021, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TheChief

We had a potent attack when Monahan was at his best...

Tkachuk slotted nicely on the 2nd line with Backlund and that really worked well for quite a few seasons.

Now with Monahan all but a step away from the AHL and all the money Bradley has committed to him, we are thin as can be upfront. Just imagine if we didn't have Mangiapane (diamond in the rough) right now, the entire offence would be John (although it is 75 percent anyways).

I wouldn't trust Brad to manage a bath, his use of our cap space since he became GM has been atrocious. He will go down as the WORST GM in franchise history.

Nope. Craig Button. Easily.

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PepsiFree · 10-21-2021, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TheChief

We had a potent attack when Monahan was at his best...

Tkachuk slotted nicely on the 2nd line with Backlund and that really worked well for quite a few seasons.

Now with Monahan all but a step away from the AHL and all the money Bradley has committed to him, we are thin as can be upfront. Just imagine if we didn't have Mangiapane (diamond in the rough) right now, the entire offence would be John (although it is 75 percent anyways).

I wouldn't trust Brad to manage a bath, his use of our cap space since he became GM has been atrocious. He will go down as the WORST GM in franchise history.

You can always tell a major stinker of a post is dropping whenever this comes out.

PaperBagger'14 · 10-21-2021, 09:27 PM

Monahan has definetly put himself in a hole, he hasn't been a 4th line centerman since his first year (albeit briefly). I really hope he can start to make the players around him better and he should be able to do that playing further down the line up.

I do like monny but he has a lot to prove, on his own

Jay Random · 10-21-2021, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Nope. Craig Button. Easily.

It's close between Button and Risebrough.

dino7c · 10-21-2021, 10:23 PM

He was put on the 4th line so he can slowly work his way up to game speed after a surgery...he isn't staying there and it isn't a punishment.

Coach himself said so

TheoFleury · 10-21-2021, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Random

It's close between Button and Risebrough.

Yeah Reisbrough really destroyed that team. It was a different era though. Drafting really went downhill after fletcher left. Missed on like every top pick after finding stars throughout the draft in the 80s. Couldn't afford his guys and trading them for futures wasn't an option. Just a total organizational disintegration. What a shame

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Jay Random · 10-21-2021, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Yeah Reisbrough really destroyed that team. It was a different era though.

I would say that Risebrough and Button ran the team at opposite ends of the same era. It was in 1990, IIRC, that the NHLPA started publishing players' salaries (which had always been treated as confidential between players and teams till then) and salaries began to skyrocket. That continued until the 2004 lockout, when the cap came in.

Risebrough and Button both had the handicap of being small-market GMs in a time when costs were skyrocketing. But they both handled that problem with consummate ineptitude.

TheoFleury · 10-21-2021, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Random

I would say that Risebrough and Button ran the team at opposite ends of the same era. It was in 1990, IIRC, that the NHLPA started publishing players' salaries (which had always been treated as confidential between players and teams till then) and salaries began to skyrocket. That continued until the 2004 lockout, when the cap came in.

Risebrough and Button both had the handicap of being small-market GMs in a time when costs were skyrocketing. But they both handled that problem with consummate ineptitude.

Couldn't have said it better myself. At least Reisbrough never traded a 1C for a European bust who never sniffed the nhl though. Or let a future hart trophy winner leave for nothing. Those two things completely defined his legacy for me. Even in his one decent trade, he acquired a guy in Drury who obviously didn't want to be here. Just brutal stuff

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TheoFleury · 10-21-2021, 10:40 PM

That Gilmour trade though. Yeah. Worst trade in franchise history. Woof

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Jay Random · 10-21-2021, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Couldn't have said it better myself. At least Reisbrough never traded a 1C for a European bust who never sniffed the nhl though. Or let a future hart trophy winner leave for nothing. Those two things completely defined his legacy for me. Even in his one decent trade, he acquired a guy in Drury who obviously didn't want to be here. Just brutal stuff

True enough.

On the other hand, Button didn't lose all four of his regular centremen in a single off-season: Nieuwendyk (holdout), Reichel (quit the team and went to Germany), Otto (UFA), Kisio (retired). That took a special kind of derp.

ETA: And yes, as TheoFleury says, the Gilmour trade. Five for five, and he lost all five parts of the deal. In fact, if you'd left Gilmour out of the trade and dealt the other four Flames for the five Leafs in the trade, it would still have been a bad deal.

TheoFleury · 10-21-2021, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Random

True enough.

On the other hand, Button didn't lose all four of his regular centremen in a single off-season: Nieuwendyk (holdout), Reichel (went to Germany), Otto (UFA), Kisio (retired). That took a special kind of derp.

That team was so bad. Then Roberts came back and played the best hockey of his career. With prime Fleury they actually made the playoffs, it was a pretty crazy to watch. They went from. Expansion level bad to a pretty decent team basically because Roberts was just totally killing it

Didn't we have Wes Walz at 1c to start that season ? Lol

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Jay Random · 10-21-2021, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheoFleury

That team was so bad. Then Roberts came back and played the best hockey of his career. With prime Fleury they actually made the playoffs, it was a pretty crazy to watch. They went from. Expansion level bad to a pretty decent team basically because Roberts was just totally killing it

Didn't we have Wes Walz at 1c to start that season ? Lol

I had to look that one up. Walz was out of the Flames' organization by then. But the team did have to play a lot of converted wingers at C that year.

TheoFleury · 10-21-2021, 11:33 PM

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I had to look that one up. Walz was out of the Flames' organization by then. But the team did have to play a lot of converted wingers at C that year.

Yeah. Pretty bad when a guy like Corey Millen comes along and is an upgrade on most of your options

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GranteedEV · 10-21-2021, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheoFleury

At least Reisbrough never traded a 1C for a European bust who never sniffed the nhl though. Or let a future hart trophy winner leave for nothing. Those two things completely defined his legacy for me. Even in his one decent trade, he acquired a guy in Drury who obviously didn't want to be here. Just brutal stuff

Unless I have my timelines mixed up Button also brought in Craig Conroy and Head Coach Darryl Sutter. Might deserve credit for those two.

Also, since this was originally about Treliving, he's eerily close to both those things. All it'd take is Heinemann busting (not out of the question), Bennett maintaining, and Gaudreau leaving in UFA.

Obviously context is everything so not apples to apples, but those descriptions did sound familiar

TheoFleury · 10-21-2021, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Unless I have my timelines mixed up Button also brought in Craig Conroy and Head Coach Darryl Sutter. Might deserve credit for those two.

Also, since this was originally about Treliving, he's eerily close to both those things. All it'd take is Heinemann busting (not out of the question), Bennett maintaining, and Gaudreau leaving in UFA.

Obviously context is everything so not apples to apples, but those descriptions did sound familiar

He lost the trade at the time. Stillman was a really good player. A good top 6 player, probably our second best forward. He got lucky Connie morphed into a better fit. I don't think he saw it coming, no way.

Sutter was brought in by ownership

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