[News] Sean Monahan done for the season. Needs hip surgery. Will be ready for training camp

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

Mony and warrior don't go in the same sentence unless it includes the word NOT. Superstar? he's not even a star. Without Johnny, he's like 3rd line center at best.

The biggest problem is he’s not the kind of player you can move down the lineup. Third line centers are supposed to play good defense and Monahan is terrible defensively. So if he isn’t producing with top line center minutes you can’t even demote him and have him carry his own line against weaker competition.

With his style it actually makes more sense to keep him in the top 6 but move him to wing than it does to play him in a role he’s not suited for. As bad as he has been this year it’s actually been his least bad year defensively in his career


He’s not bad at everything he is just such. a. limited. player. When he isn’t out scoring his deficiencies you can’t do much with him

[chedder]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Monahan is hurt all the time because he is repeatedly crosschecked in front of the net every game. Hockey, like basketball, is a sport where you can make as much contact in the key as you please so long as they don't have the puck.

True for a couple of his injuries. Not the hernia or this hip though, obviously.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Any idea on the track record for players coming back from hip surgery?

Is there a track record for recovery?


Did the Flames management prevent Monahan from shutting it down early?

It is going to be a quick short summer.

I always worry about a hip injury.

IMO Dion Phaneuf was never the same after he had his hip injuries and surgery.

Went from being decently mobile d-man that could explode into hit, to a guy that looked like he needed help getting around the ice.

Honestly a lot like what Monahan has looked like at times over the last year.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Hip - I wouldn't have guessed that. I would have guessed wrists since his shot disappeared. I think he looked a bit faster out there this year. Good on him for skating hard and through (what I assume) must have been some discomfort, it not outright pain.


Neo went overboard on his comments, but some of them aren't exactly wrong. He isn't the net-front presence, he is the guy in the slot. Like Monahan or not, but that's Monahan. I like him, and if he can get whatever it is aside form his hips fixed, then he is a deadly shooter from the slot, and that's a legitimate weapon. I do think he is coachable, and Sutter will make sure that Monahan becomes a better centre.


If this means that Monahan is not traded, that's ok. However, I think it is absolutely asinine to trade Gaudreau (with the only caveat in that if he doesn't want to extend in Calgary, obviously). Other than that, Gaudreau has been effective under Darryl. Heck, what other player has looked dangerous? This team is effectively a non-skilled, non-threatening team when Gaudreau is not on the ice for the most part.


This off-season is going to be interesting.


Hope Monahan comes back stronger than ever.

Not sure what is overboard about my comments, Monahan just doesn’t go to the dirty areas. He floats near the face off dots and looks to finish feeds off from his wingers. Watch any of his highlight packages and tell me that I’m wrong

No goalie has ever thought “wow I have to deal with that Sean Monahan tonight” because he’s nowhere near the blue paint most of the time. He’s a high slot player, not a net front presence

[topfiverecords]

Monahan needs surgery isn't really news is it? If he didn't, now that'd be news.

[Scroopy Noopers]

The strongest opinions on individual players always seem to come from people who sound like they are completely making it up in their minds.

[Jore]

Why didn’t the organization shut him down earlier in the season? They shut Hanifin down. He’s been completely useless and shutting him down would have been better both for him and the team when it came to distributing his ice time to get looks at other players, not to mention recuperating his value. Clown franchise

[SeanCharles]

The real question is why not shut him down before we were officially eliminated?

I know he was obviously able to play through it but he was so ineffective all it did was lower his perceived value throughout the league.

Stupid.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dammage79

So this is not the flaming hot take thread for the Monahan haters. Seems right.

He's not innocent of blame for this season nor should he be one of the main focal points like he has been. Every single one not named Lindholm should hang their heads low in shame for this year. Every. Single. One.

Yeah. Monahan has seen the biggest decline over the last two years, that can't be argued but Gaudreau and Tkachuk shouldn't be free from blame.

5v5 point production from those guys has dropped off in each of the last two seasons from the peak in 18-19.

Looking at 5v5 primary points per game. League rank in brackets.

17-18:
Gaudreau: 0.49 (12th)
Monahan: 0.41 (39th)
Tkachuk: 0.29 (118th)

18-19:
Gaudreau: 0.57 (8th)
Monahan: 0.53 (13th)
Tkachuk: 0.40 (59th)

19-20:
Gaudreau: 0.34 (91st)
Tkachuk: 0.33 (98th)
Monahan: 0.26 (173rd)

20-21:
Gaudreau: 0.40 (39th)
Tkachuk: 0.31 (84th)
Monahan: 0.26 (135th)

Both Gaudreau and Monahan went from guys that were kind of top 10-15 at each of their positions in 17-18, and 18-19, to really producing at a much reduced rate in the last two seasons.

Tkachuk's production at 5v5 has stagnated as well, when you'd have hoped that he would have been able to step it up.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Some posters have gone off the deep end.

We don't need to ship out everyone, real life isn't EA sports NHL 21.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

I disagree. The first 10 or so games this season he was absolutely flying and looked like a stronger, faster, and more physically engaged presence out there. He had 14 points in his first 17 games.

It was evident to anyone that wasn't directly looking for a scapegoat as the season wore on that Monahan was playing through something serious for a large chunk of the year.

Trading Monahan now would be a poor idea.

Thanks for this. I didn't remember Monahan's start the same way, so went back and looked. He was very productive the first 5 games, with 2 goals and 7 points. Game 6 was bad, scoreless and zero SOG. His production fell off from that point forward.

Unfortunately he's still a big question mark going forward. A very poor 2019-20 season doesn't inspire confidence, although he had two excellent games vs Winnipeg in the playin round.

[blankall]

A lot of hot takes here. We don't even know what kind of hit surgery Monahan's having. Could be a simple arr with arthroscopic or debridement with a few weeks recovery time. Could be a total replacement....we have no idea. Probably not the latter based on what the team is stating.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dammage79

What's Johnnys excuse for being garbage most of the year then. It's Monahans fault? The coaches for making up the lines?

Take Johnny off 9f the pedestal and put him with the rest of the team. He gets no pass for his play this year either.

I wouldn't put Gaudreau on a pedestal, nor give him a pass, just pointing out his ineffective linemates for most of the season. Pretty poor deployment IMO and still leads the team in goals. Seems like is a case for boosting his trade value.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by BMStrikesAgain

left wrist reconstructed, two hernia surgeries, a procedure on his groin, hip surgery.. anything else? seems to be every summer there is something. he's broken. whatever player he was he isn't that anymore.

The fact that most of those injuries are unrelated to each other is actually a good thing.

Remember how injury prone Gio and Backlund used to be?

But past injuries don't predict future unrelated injuries.

Originally Posted by Jore

Why didn’t the organization shut him down earlier in the season? They shut Hanifin down. He’s been completely useless and shutting him down would have been better both for him and the team when it came to distributing his ice time to get looks at other players, not to mention recuperating his value. Clown franchise

You mean Sam Bennett?

As if this organization would have had that kind of ambition..

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by neo45

The biggest problem is he’s not the kind of player you can move down the lineup. Third line centers are supposed to play good defense and Monahan is terrible defensively. So if he isn’t producing with top line center minutes you can’t even demote him and have him carry his own line against weaker competition.

With his style it actually makes more sense to keep him in the top 6 but move him to wing than it does to play him in a role he’s not suited for. As bad as he has been this year it’s actually been his least bad year defensively in his career


He’s not bad at everything he is just such. a. limited. player. When he isn’t out scoring his deficiencies you can’t do much with him

I disagree with this post. Not being able to turn his hip effected his wrist shot, he concentrated more on defense than he ever had as a pro, and he was getting pretty good at getting back and boxing players out, or supporting the defensemen.

Once he gets his shot back, this season could end up making him the best version of himself that we've seen. Between the steps he's taken and Lindholm being such a solid 200ft player, if anything it exposes Backlund to Seattle.

[Roof-Daddy]

I feel bad for Monahan to an extent. He seems to get banged up like this quite often, plays through it, but it effects his performance and he gets crapped on pretty hard because of the lack of performance. This includes me too.

I still maintain he's not an elite #1C, but he's a #1C on the low end of the scale, and a very high end #2C still in his prime.

[Calgary4LIfe]

@Neo (cant fricken quote)

Not sure what is overboard about my comments, Monahan just doesn’t go to the dirty areas. He floats near the face off dots and looks to finish feeds off from his wingers. Watch any of his highlight packages and tell me that I’m wrong

No goalie has ever thought “wow I have to deal with that Sean Monahan tonight” because he’s nowhere near the blue paint most of the time. He’s a high slot player, not a net front presence

Below is your comment that I was responding to.

Originally Posted by neo45
Monahan “going to the dirty areas” is one of the biggest myths on this forum. He’s not Tomas Holmstrom. He stands in the slot away from all contact and hopes the winger can get him the perfect pass to finish. He doesn’t even bother to battle defensively or play physically


Seriously when has Monahan ever even crashed the net? Had a net front battle? He got hacked and slashed and that’s what injured his hip?

Monahan is no Tomas Holsmstrom, and as I already agreed with you, he is most effective in the slot.


However, you went overboard in my opinion with the rest of your wording. He does play physical. He does compete. He has been playing much better defensively. He does go after pucks in front of the net (and quite a lot). He isn't Tkachuk - he is not going to mix it up and start a scrum. He will go after loose pucks and go to the hard and dirty areas.


So that's why your post was overboard. He is NOT a floater. There is a difference between being a floater and not being overly physical. It isn't just one or the other.

[sureLoss]

Pat Steinberg @Fan960Steinberg
Head coach Darryl Sutter says Sean Monahan has been battling through his hip injury for the last 20 games or so. Hip surgery scheduled for next week.

“I give him a lot of credit.”

[Buck Murdock]

Monahan will be a Flame next year. Trading him now would be a colossal mistake as his value is at it's all time lowest, plus the uncertainty of a major injury/surgery and subsequent recovery.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Why is that Sean Monahan's job? Do other top centers fight to protect themselves?

Isn't that the whole reason this team employs Lucic, Rinaldo,etc?

It's very rare for a guy who's playing as a top line center to fight. Let's look back to 13-14 and look at the top 20 centers in league scoring over that time (Monahan is 19th).

Crosby - 2
McDavid - 0
Tavares - 0
Giroux - 1
Backstrom - 0
Mackinnon - 6
Malkin - 4
Kopitar - 0
Seguin - 1
Pavelski - 3
Scheifele - 1
Draisaitl - 0
O'Reilly - 0
Bergeron - 2
Stamkos - 4
Barkov - 0
Getzlaf - 16
Toews - 4
Monahan - 1
Johansen - 9

Damn, look at all those soft centers that don't fight. Wouldn't want any of those guys on my team.

It's ridiculous to think that the guy who is your top 6 goal scoring center, who has a history of hand/wrist injuries now, should be fighting to protect himself.

Does his 1 fight count if he fought The Tenderness?

No way we should be trading Monahan this off season. Now that would be a Marc Savard moment. Not Bennett.