[News] UPD: Rieder clears, appears to be staying in Calgary

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Every coach in the NHL is tough. I'm going to need to see a lot more (or less, as it were) from a team that finished first in the conference six months ago before I entertain notions of the coach losing the room.

No meltdowns, no blowouts, no calling out of star players, no scratching anyone significant to send a message - we're not even out of October yet. Nor is the team even out of a playoff spot.

Relax.

Peters gave an interview with some colourful language just last week about being responsible defensively.

6-2 loss to Vegas. Colorado blew the flames out of the water in the first round.

Monahan 3 consecutive games under 17 minutes of ice time before being demoted to the 2nd line. Lines look like the coach is out of ideas and is looking for anything to spark things.

The flames don't really have the cap.space to be scratching guys to send a message.

I happen to know Peters burns through rosters and coaches from a similar motivational philosophy as Keenan. Just ask Eddie Lack. Or Jeff Skinner. Or Michael Frolik. Or James Neal.

Discount it if you want but Bill Peters has a shelf life and my concern is we may be passed the best before date on this one.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Peters gave an interview with some colourful language just last week about being responsible defensively.

6-2 loss to Vegas. Colorado blew the flames out of the water in the first round.

Monahan 3 consecutive games under 17 minutes of ice time before being demoted to the 2nd line. Lines look like the coach is out of ideas and is looking for anything to spark things.

The flames don't really have the cap.space to be scratching guys to send a message.

I happen to know Peters burns through rosters and coaches from a similar motivational philosophy as Keenan. Just ask Eddie Lack. Or Jeff Skinner. Or Michael Frolik. Or James Neal.

Discount it if you want but Bill Peters has a shelf life and my concern is we may be passed the best before date on this one.

Relax

Still lots of time left..

I think this, more than anything, is Peters struggling to get a 2nd scoring line going.

We have 4 high end forwards and a mixed bag of depth pieces.

Backlund probably deserves a bit more credit than that but we still need at least one more piece offensively.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

What do you expect Peters to do? Keep rolling the exact same lines over and over again? I am good with the blender in the short term. Clearly the team needs a wakeup call, but are unable to make a trade due to cap constraints, and even with the room, it doesn't make any sense to blow it up.

Shake up the lines, swear a bit, send Reider down. All minor fixes that should get a good team going.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Peters gave an interview with some colourful language just last week about being responsible defensively.

6-2 loss to Vegas. Colorado blew the flames out of the water in the first round.

Monahan 3 consecutive games under 17 minutes of ice time before being demoted to the 2nd line. Lines look like the coach is out of ideas and is looking for anything to spark things.

The flames don't really have the cap.space to be scratching guys to send a message.

I happen to know Peters burns through rosters and coaches from a similar motivational philosophy as Keenan. Just ask Eddie Lack. Or Jeff Skinner. Or Michael Frolik. Or James Neal.

Discount it if you want but Bill Peters has a shelf life and my concern is we may be passed the best before date on this one.

So in 4 years - yes, 4 years, which isn't a bad tenure for a coach - he upset a snowflake in Eddie Lack, and an enigma in Jeff Skinner. Not exactly damning.

Every single coach in the NHL is going to piss off one or two players from his roster - even the 'player's coaches'.

And I hold no more sympathy for Frolik and Neal than I do for Lack and Skinner.

[topfiverecords]

This thread is hilarious.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

am a bit behind on this. Is this to make space for a healthy body coming back? Another forward from Stockton being called up? possible trade?

I am not sure if moving a player off the roster was urgently required, necessitating this move.

We don't know what else is coming, but it seems almost certain that there will be something else coming. If they send Rieder down, they don't have any extra forwards available. With the team starting an extended Eastern road trip, I can't see them risking it with only 12 forwards and the closest replacement player being on the other side of the country.

Waiving Rieder now just to keep him with the Flames doesn't really make sense. It's not like they need to sneak him through waivers and this is some ideal time. He's almost-certainly going to clear waivers at any time, so it only makes sense to waive him when they plan on sending him down.


This definitely isn't to make space for a healthy body returning. The only two injured players are Valimaki and Czarnik, and they're not going to be back for months.


I'd say there's a small chance this is a prelude to a trade. It's possible that Rieder is being sent somewhere and the other team wanted him to clear waivers first, but I think that's unlikely. Treliving could have a big deal worked out that will bring in an additional NHL forward but I think that's a low possibility too.


The most-likely scenario is that they wanted to reward one of the players who is off to a strong start in Stockton and waived Rieder to make room.

Another factor to consider is that now that they're using LTIR relief, they're not accumulating new cap space for the end of the season, so they can safely recall a player making more than Rieder without hurting their cap position.

Depending on Dube's injury situation, I think we'll likely see either Dube or Gawdin at practice tomorrow morning in Raleigh.

[GreenLantern2814]

Every coach has a shelf life.

No coach has a shelf life of seven months worth of game action.

I'm tired of hearing players bitch about the coaching. The coach is not a fool. Do what he says.

[btimbit]

I have a hard time believing he was a good coach last year and just forgot everything he knew over the summer.

Especially seeing some of the same problems with multiple coaches now.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

This thread is hilarious.

This thread is like an early Christmas gift for Flash. Well, this and the unpopular opinions thread.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The Flames AGM went on television and said they thought they had the deal done Saturday night.

Not only did the Flames think they could or should do it, they thought they had done it.

Certainly they didn't know they could re-sign Stone and for what at that point. Nor do we know what the supposed deal was.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Certainly they didn't know they could re-sign Stone and for what at that point. Nor do we know what the supposed deal was.

I would imagine they already had permission to speak with Stone and his agent and had a very detailed understanding of what a deal would cost and that Stone would sign it if Brad was at the point of thinking a deal was imminent.

Very hard to believe Brad would have got that far without any contact and at the very least verbal agreement on a contract extension. He likely knew what the contract would cost and that Stone would sign it if they were as far along as Brad suggested and I don't see any reason to disbelieve what Brad says in interviews. He doesn't seem like a verbal diarrhea kind of speaker.

[jayswin]

I do believe it would have been slightly higher than Vegas though, and that it would have been difficult to make this year's cap work with Tkachuk and Stone. But it could be done.

It would have meant hard selling Frolik, and ditching Brodie for a pick, and likely one more cap reducing move (possible Neal buyout), but could have been done and I believe we'd be a waaay better team for it.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I suspect the price for Calgary was probably Valimaki + 1st.

[browna]

If Rieder clears he doesn’t have to clear waivers again for 30d, right? And can stay on the (any)NHL roster for that time, as well.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by browna

If Rieder clears he doesn’t have to clear waivers again for 30d, right? And can stay on the (any)NHL roster for that time, as well.

If he clears, he won't need to clear again until he has spent 30 days on an NHL roster or played 10 NHL games, whichever comes first.

If he clears and is sent down, that 30 day/10 game threshold will still apply if he gets recalled later in the season. The count is cumulative over multiple recalls.

If he were to be traded, his waiver status would follow him to the new team.

[1qqaaz]

Full steam ahead on the Quine train I guess

[Chonger]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Do these PTO's ever work out? They seem like a waste.

Brendan Morrison was a pto i believe

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[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by getbak

If he were to be traded, his waiver status would follow him to the new team.

Sounds possible that he's a throw-in piece on a potential deal. Gives the other team some certainty. He's playing for minimum when many teams are tight on cap space.

Reider was a free asset to begin with. He can be replaced by a farmhand. If he can be used in part to get a bigger asset that would be good management.

[RedHawk12]

I doubt this has to do with a trade. Does anyone remember the last the Flames, or any team for that matter, made a waiver move as a precursor to a trade? Don't teams usually make the trade first and deal with consequences (waiving someone to clear room) after?

I think waiving Rider is more likely to inject some youth into the lineup, get some energy.

[Heavy Jack]

Every part of me wants to see Matty Phillips get a look here especially because Czarnik was starting to come around I really do feel a high end, shifty, skilled RW righty is a weapon this team can utilize.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Phillips
Mangiapane - Jankowski - Bennett
Lucic - Ryan - Frolik
Quine

I think Tkachuk/Phillips could become a thing out of no where if/when they do get a chance to play together.