Keep, Trade, Re-sign, Let walk, Buyout, Fire, Indifferent

[theinfinitejar]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

I would add Gaudreau to that list. Without him the offence dries up even more, and it will trickle down the lineup. Probably Gio I add too. He's a rock back there, and we need players like him. Those 3 I think are the only completely 100% untouchables unless it's massive over-payment.




I won't even include Monahan on my untouchable list. I love him as a player and he produces like a decent #1 C. But he does NOT strike me as a guy who hates to lose. As good as he's been this season, he's been pretty disappointing down the stretch for a player who usually 'brings it' the 2nd half.

4 goals his last 20 games. A bunch of games with only 1/no shots. He was on pace for 50 goals/PPG...then 40 goals and just under PPG...and now he's settled right in near his career high and likely won't go up that much further.

Monahan is obviously playing hurt right now and has been for awhile.

[dissentowner]

It is absolutely mind boggling some fans want to keep TJ Brodie. I honestly think this team makes the playoffs this year without the losses he single handily cost us.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesKickAss

CENTRES
11 Mikael Backlund - keep
46 Marek Hrivik - let walk
77 Mark Jankowski - re-sign
23 Sean Monahan - keep
25 Nick Shore - re-sign
18 Matt Stajan - let walk

LEFT WINGS
93 Sam Bennett - keep
79 Micheal Ferland - trade
13 Johnny Gaudreau - keep; untouchable
15 Tanner Glass - boot out the door
19 Matthew Tkachuk - keep; untouchable

RIGHT WINGS
36 Troy Brouwer - buyout
67 Michael Frolik - keep
21 Garnet Hathaway - indifferent
20 Curtis Lazar - keep
8 Chris Stewart - let walk
10 Kris Versteeg - Re-sign

DEFENSE
44 Matt Bartkowski - let walk
7 T.J. Brodie - trade,
5 Mark Giordano - indifferent
27 Dougie Hamilton - keep; untouchable
24 Travis Hamonic - keep
61 Brett Kulak - keep
26 Michael Stone - trade

GOALIES
33 David Rittich - keep
41 Mike Smith - keep

Head Coach: Glen Gulutzan - fire
Ass. Coach: Dave Cameron - fire
Ass. Coach: Paul Jerrard - indifferent
Ass. Coach: Martin Gelinas - indifferent
Goal Coach: Jordan Sigalet - indifferent
GM: Brad Treliving - keep

This is pretty much what I would have written, except I'm not keen on trading Ferland. I would however, be willing to listen to offers on Ferland or Bennett.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It is absolutely mind boggling some fans want to keep TJ Brodie. I honestly think this team makes the playoffs this year without the losses he single handily cost us.

lol

He didn't play last night and they lost 5-2 to the worst team in the league...must be all his fault

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It is absolutely mind boggling some fans want to keep TJ Brodie. I honestly think this team makes the playoffs this year without the losses he single handily cost us.

One bad season and you'd want to trade a fairly good offensive rush d-man? Bennett has most of you in high hopes since his draft year and he's till invisible. Mind boggling if Tre still keeps his high hopes on him without upgrading the depth on right wings on all lines.

[dammage79]

Have to axe the coaching staff. That's the first priority.
After that I think the players you cannot trade is pretty short.
Monahan, Tkachuk, Gio, Hamilton , Bennett, Janko and I think Backlund should be kept safe. I'm of the opinion that you can fetch a Kings ransom for Gaudreau so at the very least explore those options but it's far more likely he stays.

Need to find better option s throughout the forward group ranging from Ferland to Stajan to Brouwer to Frolik (Who I like a lot but offense is that name of the game for this team now).

Defense I think you can completely re shape it to whatever you want in the bottom 4. Hamonic will likely be kept only to save some face on the acquisition. Stone, Brodie and Kulak ( who again, I like but I think you can get better options) can all be shopped around. Stone only because Hamonic isn't going anywhere.

Rasmus Andersson likely takes a soft in the top six next year so you really need to reshape three spots on D. Including the 7th spot and Bartkowski.

[Harry Lime]

This is who I would keep. There are others I am happy to retain, but would trade for an upgrade. I also keep the guys who haven't reached their potential, but could under different tutelage.

Note that Monahan would be a Taveras plus extension type of trade to let him go, but I would still do that deal. Guys that fill a role like Backlund, the only possible upgrade is Barkov or Bergeron, so I keep.

Keep all prospects.

CENTRES
11 Mikael Backlund
77 Mark Jankowski
25 Nick Shore


LEFT WINGS
93 Sam Bennett
13 Johnny Gaudreau
19 Matthew Tkachuk

RIGHT WINGS
20 Curtis Lazar

DEFENSE
5 Mark Giordano
27 Dougie Hamilton
24 Travis Hamonic

GOALIES
33 David Rittich
41 Mike Smith

[N-E-B]

CENTRES
11 Mikael Backlund - keep
46 Marek Hrivik - bye
77 Mark Jankowski - keep
23 Sean Monahan - keep
25 Nick Shore - don't care
18 Matt Stajan - bye

LEFT WINGS
93 Sam Bennett - keep
79 Micheal Ferland - keep but not on 1st line
13 Johnny Gaudreau - keep
15 Tanner Glass - bye
19 Matthew Tkachuk - keep

RIGHT WINGS
36 Troy Brouwer - bye
67 Michael Frolik - keep
21 Garnet Hathaway - bye
20 Curtis Lazar - keep
8 Chris Stewart - bye
10 Kris Versteeg - bye

DEFENSE
44 Matt Bartkowski - bye
7 T.J. Brodie - depends on who coaches next year
5 Mark Giordano - keep
27 Dougie Hamilton - keep
24 Travis Hamonic - keep
61 Brett Kulak - don't care
26 Michael Stone - don't care

GOALIES
33 David Rittich - keep
41 Mike Smith - keep

Head Coach: Glen Gulutzan - fire
Ass. Coach: Dave Cameron - fire
Ass. Coach: Paul Jerrard - fire
Ass. Coach: Martin Gelinas - fire
Goal Coach: Jordan Sigalet - fire
GM: Brad Treliving - keep

Not a single coach would survive if I were GM.

[Buff]

CENTRES
11 Mikael Backlund - keep
46 Marek Hrivik - indifferent - may be good as call up if there are many injuries
77 Mark Jankowski - re-sign
23 Sean Monahan - keep
25 Nick Shore - re-sign
18 Matt Stajan - let walk

LEFT WINGS
93 Sam Bennett - keep
79 Micheal Ferland - keep/trade
13 Johnny Gaudreau - keep; untouchable
15 Tanner Glass - let walk
19 Matthew Tkachuk - keep; untouchable

RIGHT WINGS
36 Troy Brouwer - buyout if trade isn't possible
67 Michael Frolik - keep
21 Garnet Hathaway - trade
20 Curtis Lazar - indifferent
8 Chris Stewart - let walk
10 Kris Versteeg - let walk

DEFENSE
44 Matt Bartkowski - let walk
7 T.J. Brodie - keep/trade - I'd like to see what he can do with a different coach, but if it takes Brodie to get a scoring right winger, then trade him.
5 Mark Giordano - keep
27 Dougie Hamilton - keep; untouchable
24 Travis Hamonic - keep
61 Brett Kulak - keep
26 Michael Stone - trade

GOALIES
33 David Rittich - keep
41 Mike Smith - keep

Head Coach: Glen Gulutzan - fire
Ass. Coach: Dave Cameron - fire
Ass. Coach: Paul Jerrard - fire
Ass. Coach: Martin Gelinas - indifferent, due to nostalgic reasons
Goal Coach: Jordan Sigalet - fire
GM: Brad Treliving - keep

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Fire the entire coaching staff and hire a competent veteran head coach. Let him chose his assistants. Keep the core as is for the most part, shuffle some pieces to get us more scoring. Give them two years. If that doesn't work, burn it to the ground. Fire Treliving, fire Burke, fire the coaching staff and commence rebuild V2.0. For God's sake though, don't go picking at the scrap heap from failed organizations for our management/coaching staff.
We have the old Leafs GM as our President of Hockey Operations
The old coyotes Assistant GM as our GM
The old coyotes GM doing god know what
The old Canucks assistant coach as our head coach.
And we wonder why this team sucks

Everyone "attractive" as a coach is probably "someone's" old coach/GM. So you'd rather go to the KHL and hire from there? Or maybe all new and untested guys from the A?

Sheesh.

[CalgaryFan1988]

CENTRES
11 Mikael Backlund - keep
46 Marek Hrivik - let walk
77 Mark Jankowski - keep
23 Sean Monahan - keep
25 Nick Shore - keep
18 Matt Stajan - let walk

LEFT WINGS
93 Sam Bennett - keep
79 Micheal Ferland - keep
13 Johnny Gaudreau - keep
15 Tanner Glass - let walk
19 Matthew Tkachuk - keep

RIGHT WINGS
36 Troy Brouwer - keep
67 Michael Frolik - keep
21 Garnet Hathaway - trade
20 Curtis Lazar - keep
8 Chris Stewart - let walk
10 Kris Versteeg - let walk

DEFENSE
44 Matt Bartkowski - let walk
7 T.J. Brodie - keep
5 Mark Giordano - keep
27 Dougie Hamilton - keep
24 Travis Hamonic - keep
61 Brett Kulak - trade
26 Michael Stone - trade

GOALIES
33 David Rittich - trade
41 Mike Smith - keep

Head Coach: Glen Gulutzan - fire
Ass. Coach: Dave Cameron - fire
Ass. Coach: Paul Jerrard - fire
Ass. Coach: Martin Gelinas - fire
Goal Coach: Jordan Sigalet - fire
GM: Brad Treliving - keep

Gaudreau - Monahan - UFA/Trade
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Bennett - Jankowski - Lazar
Ferland - Shore - Brouwer

Giordano - Hamilton
Brodie - Hamonic
Wotherspoon - Andersson

Smith
Gillies

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Brick

Matthew Tkachuk is the only real untouchable on the Flames.

If an electrifying player that scores over a point per game isn't untouchable I dunno what you're thinking.

Look at his contract and it makes it even more obvious. We need more offense not less.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It is absolutely mind boggling some fans want to keep TJ Brodie. I honestly think this team makes the playoffs this year without the losses he single handily cost us.

Yes. Look how much better they played without him last night.

[taxbuster]

If the thesis that players were badly used by GG (and by extension, Cameron and Jerrard) then nothing should happen until the coaches are fired and new ones on board.

A different coach, and a more experienced one, may have a very different take on the problems that plagued TJ (for example) this year. Or how to get the most out of Bennett.

Selling low is seldom productive - a bit like leaving a longish-term marriage for something that may be no better and has even less likelihood of success. Sometimes its better to work with what you have, remold it, reshape it and try to fix it than just chucking it in the garbage. (I know - anathema to millennials who throw *everything* that doesn't work in the crapper.)

But experience would say it's better to trade from strength. Certainly there are guys to move out and/or buy out. But unless Tre is willing to completely blow the club up, some of the suggestions here just leave me laughing. Implausible at best.

Chances are the operating coaches (GG, DC and PJ) are gone. Whether Gelly and Sigalet remain, who knows? (And whom would you replace them with? Goalie coaches don't grow on trees - particularly ones at this level.)

A couple of good sports psychologists would even have some impact on this team.

[Shin Pad]

Personally, I don't think anyone is untouchable. Some of the players would require a massive overpayment from another team in order to be traded. I think Tre needs to look at all options.
Having said that, I can't see Monahan, Gaudreau, Tkachuck or Backlund being traded. On D, I can't see Dougie or Gio being traded. Hamonic would probably not get back the assets that he was traded for, so I can't see him being traded. Everyone else is fair game IMO. The coaching staff has definitely got to go.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Chances are the operating coaches (GG, DC and PJ) are gone. Whether Gelly and Sigalet remain, who knows? (And whom would you replace them with? Goalie coaches don't grow on trees - particularly ones at this level.)

Jason Labarbera coaches for the Hitmen. Promote him.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Trade 2
To Calgary:
Wayne Simmonds

To Philadelphia:
TJ Brodie

Why would the Flyers trade a consistent 30 goal scorer who plays with an edge? And if they did...why for Brodie?

Provorov and Gostisbehere have surpassed him already. But Morin, Myers, Hagg, Sanheim, etc. are making the basis for a very good young defensive group. What they may need is a defensive minded veteran to provide a calming effect and provide rock solid defense. That's who they should be targeting if they are looking at moving Simmonds. That's not Brodie.

But Simmonds is one of the highest scoring right-wingers in the league, in the last couple seasons only Kane, Kucherov and Tarasenko have scored more than him. And he's making under 4M....

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by dino7c

lol

He didn't play last night and they lost 5-2 to the worst team in the league...must be all his fault

YES!!! Absolutely his fault! How dare him getting hurt...wait...sorry, what was the original comment again?

[Barca]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Why would the Flyers trade a consistent 30 goal scorer who plays with an edge? And if they did...why for Brodie?

Provorov and Gostisbehere have surpassed him already. But Morin, Myers, Hagg, Sanheim, etc. are making the basis for a very good young defensive group. What they may need is a defensive minded veteran to provide a calming effect and provide rock solid defense. That's who they should be targeting if they are looking at moving Simmonds. That's not Brodie.

But Simmonds is one of the highest scoring right-wingers in the league, in the last couple seasons only Kane, Kucherov and Tarasenko have scored more than him. And he's making under 4M....

Yeah, i think people will be disappointed at Brodie's actual value if he gets dealt.

[CalgaryFan1988]

I think trading Brodie while his value is at an all-time low, would be one of the most bone-headed decisions of all time.