11-09-2017, 04:14 PM
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#81
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^How dare you.
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Yeah I have no desire to watch his movies anymore. Except for maybe the first 1/3 of Executive Decision.
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11-09-2017, 04:50 PM
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#82
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Heard a lot of good, I guess really bad stories about Segal over the years. He filmed a lot of movies here in his fat bloated state.
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11-09-2017, 05:13 PM
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#83
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Yeah, the Segal rumours aren't really news. Hasn't been accused of kidnap and rape in the past as well?
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11-09-2017, 05:35 PM
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Any of the stories I have heard there's never been anything illegal. More sad and pathetic with gross groupies and hookers.
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11-09-2017, 05:39 PM
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#85
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evil of fart
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Haha the Louis CK one is kind of hilarious. He just starts jacking it around chicks? Wtf.
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11-09-2017, 11:36 PM
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#86
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Haha the Louis CK one is kind of hilarious. He just starts jacking it around chicks? Wtf.
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Not really funny for the women.
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11-10-2017, 06:28 AM
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Can't say I'm terribly surprised be these latest rounds of accusations. Louis CK has long struck me as kind of creepy, Martin Sheen is generally a trainwreck, and Seagal is one of those really well-known predators in the business.
This is just from his Wikipedia page.
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In May, 1991 (during the filming of Out for Justice), Warner Brothers' employees Raenne Malone, Nicole Selinger, and Christine Keeve accused Seagal of sexual harassment.
Around the same time, at least four actresses claimed that Seagal had made sexual advances, typically during late-night "casting sessions."
In another incident, Jenny McCarthy claimed that Seagal asked her to undress during an audition for Under Siege 2.
In 1995, Seagal was charged with employment discrimination, sexual harassment and breach of contract. Cheryl Shuman filed a case against Seagal, accusing him of threatening and beating her during the filming of On Deadly Ground.
On April 12, 2010, 23-year-old Kayden Nguyen filed a lawsuit against Seagal in a Los Angeles County Superior Court, specifying damages in excess of one million dollars. In her suit, Nguyen made a number of allegations against Seagal, including sexual harassment, the illegal trafficking of females for sex, failure to prevent sexual harassment, and wrongful termination.
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11-10-2017, 07:18 AM
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#88
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I must be missing something with the Louis CK story. So 1 woman says he sounded like he was masturbating on the phone and he asked 4 other women if he could take his penis out? 3 of them said yes, so he did, and 1 of them said no, so he didn’t? Embarrassing fetish, but I don’t see the scandle.
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11-10-2017, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Sliver
Haha the Louis CK one is kind of hilarious. He just starts jacking it around chicks? Wtf.
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there's one that's no shock. rumors have been circulating about him for years, too.
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11-10-2017, 07:46 AM
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ALL ABOARD!
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Originally Posted by Itse
Can't say I'm terribly surprised be these latest rounds of accusations. Louis CK has long struck me as kind of creepy, Martin Sheen is generally a trainwreck, and Seagal is one of those really well-known predators in the business.
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Hey, don't lump Charlie's Dad into this. Charlie is the scumbag. Martin Sheen is the President.
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11-10-2017, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by gargamel
I must be missing something with the Louis CK story. So 1 woman says he sounded like he was masturbating on the phone and he asked 4 other women if he could take his penis out? 3 of them said yes, so he did, and 1 of them said no, so he didn’t? Embarrassing fetish, but I don’t see the scandle.
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No kidding. And as far as sexual abuse goes, that has to be the least abusive. That's again why we need some better terminology here. All sexual abuse isn't the same so we need better descriptors to describe specific abuses or a scale or something. Like this is level one sexual abuse and back alley knife to the throat kind of rape is a level 10.
And as for the larger sexual abuse problems, these men are brutal and need to be held accountable. But there is another thing that shouldn't be dismissed as victim blaming and that is women need to be better educated on warning signs or something, too. Seems super insanely obvious to me, but business meetings don't take place in hotel rooms. That's putting yourself in a vulnerable position. Maybe there needs to be a unit in CALM or something in high school that educates people on sexual predation and offers strategies to remove yourself from a position you may inadvertently end up in.
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11-10-2017, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by gargamel
I must be missing something with the Louis CK story. So 1 woman says he sounded like he was masturbating on the phone and he asked 4 other women if he could take his penis out? 3 of them said yes, so he did, and 1 of them said no, so he didn’t? Embarrassing fetish, but I don’t see the scandle.
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I don't know if it can be considered sexual assault but I think the main issue was that Louis, being a successful male comedian, had power/leverage over these women. Some of the women were comedians trying to make it in the industry. If some like Louis CK said something bad about them, that could be the end of their careers.
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11-10-2017, 08:00 AM
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It's definately sexual harassment. Person in position of power makes inappropriate or unwanted sexual advance. Asking the question Can I masterbate in front of you is harassment.
Is a flasher at a playground a child predator? I would say yes, so is doing it to other adults different?
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11-10-2017, 08:30 AM
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I don't see how you can compare him to someone flashing children at a playground. He didn't flash anyone. He asked if he could masturbate in front of them and if they said yes, he did. If they said no, he didn't.
Also, I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that he was in a position of power. Yes, he's was one of the more popular comedians at the time, but these were women were adults and fellow comedians. It's not like it was director/actor or boss/employee relationship.
I agree with gargamel that it's a creepy, embarrassing fetish, but I don't think he should be lumped in with what Kevin Spacey and Harvey Weinstein did.
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11-10-2017, 08:37 AM
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In the kind of online mob hysteria we're witnessing, those kinds of distinctions are not welcome. The more emotional people get, the simpler they want the world to be.
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11-10-2017, 08:46 AM
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I think you need to read the article again, those women did not all say yes he could masturbate in front of them, I believe it said one of them said she went along because she didn't know how else to handle it, others declined, or the incident started before they knew what was happening.
Some pretty flippant comments about this type of harassment. Hilarious?
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11-10-2017, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BananaPancakes
I don't see how you can compare him to someone flashing children at a playground. He didn't flash anyone. He asked if he could masturbate in front of them and if they said yes, he did. If they said no, he didn't.
Also, I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that he was in a position of power. Yes, he's was one of the more popular comedians at the time, but these were women were adults and fellow comedians. It's not like it was director/actor or boss/employee relationship.
I agree with gargamel that it's a creepy, embarrassing fetish, but I don't think he should be lumped in with what Kevin Spacey and Harvey Weinstein did.
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He Masterbated on the phone with someone without consent - more than harassment similar to the flasher
He asked to masterbate in front of someone on a show he was working on, person declined - textbook harasssment
He asked to Mastebate in front of someone on the pilot he was working on, person declined
He asked to masterbate in front of a women in the production group while he was head of production on the Cris Rock show, person accepted - textbook harassment
It's a clear pattern of Harassment within the workplace. Some of these incidents occurred on set. It isn't a guy with a sexual kink.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/mobile.n...nduct.amp.html
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11-10-2017, 08:51 AM
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What CK did was harassment. But like all crimes, there are degrees of sexual misconduct or harassment. The problem is, in this atmosphere if you simply point out there are degrees of crime, you're accused of being a defender or apologist.
Stealing cars is bad. Breaking into peoples' homes and robbing them at gunpoint is worse. To point out it's worse isn't to defend or apologize for people stealing cars.
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11-10-2017, 08:53 AM
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So then some of you would be fine if I approached your mother, wife, or daughter and just started cranking on my hog? I mean it IS the least abusive kind of sexual abuse right? Yeah totally cool and ok.
“Excuse me miss, do you mind if I jack off right now?” Definitely acceptable.
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