Work to live or enjoy work?

[afc wimbledon]

I never expected to enjoy work, as anything you have to do day in or day out will eventually get boring, that said I loved being a youthworker and still love being a foster parent.

Frankly though if you look to work for your life's fulfillment you are seriously missing the point, work isn't supposed to do that, family and community, faith if you have it, that's where you get that from, work not sucking donkey nuts is just a bonus.

[Corral]

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Could you give an example of a career that would fulfill the concept you are describing.[/QUOTE]

Yes. Most, if not every, player on the Flames roster. I think they would do their work for nothing. Many of them think and work hockey 24/7, and I don't think they consider themselves workaholics. And they certainly don't work to live. Sure they have hobbies and enjoy some time away from the rink - but few if any of them count the hours till the weekend or plan their vacation for months. They simply enjoy their work day in and day out.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think you'd need to be wired pretty weird to enjoy working more than not working regardless of what it is.

For example I love hiking.

Now I could make money hiking by guiding - have to deal with people
Or blogging about it -- have to write about stuff and edit and proof read
Or review gear -- have to write about it and use non optimal gear
Or work at a national park -- have to deal with tourins
Or search and rescue -- pretty high risk and not full time

So none of these things would be as enjoyable for work as my hobby and would likely burn out the enjoyment of the hobby.

Could you give an example of a career that would fulfill the concept you are describing.

I guess i'm weird. And I maybe your ideal work involves hiking with minimal or no interaction with people.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Corral

Yes. Most, if not every, player on the Flames roster. I think they would do their work for nothing. Many of them think and work hockey 24/7, and I don't think they consider themselves workaholics. And they certainly don't work to live. Sure they have hobbies and enjoy some time away from the rink - but few if any of them count the hours till the weekend or plan their vacation for months. They simply enjoy their work day in and day out.

That might apply to guys in their early 20s. But virtually without fail, when players get older and have families they talk about how great it is to have something else in their life so they can leave hockey at the rink.

And if hockey was a passion that most players would dedicate the same level of effort and commitment to regardless of pay, then more players would be playing until they physically can't anymore. Instead, almost all quit playing in their 30s rather than continue their careers in a lower league.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Corral

Yes. Most, if not every, player on the Flames roster. I think they would do their work for nothing. Many of them think and work hockey 24/7, and I don't think they consider themselves workaholics. And they certainly don't work to live. Sure they have hobbies and enjoy some time away from the rink - but few if any of them count the hours till the weekend or plan their vacation for months. They simply enjoy their work day in and day out.

I doubt it, my guess is most of them find the transition from enjoying the game of hockey for its own sake to training and playing it for a living an utter pain in the arse, the job of a hockey player is mostly spent on planes or hotels or in the gym keeping in shape or doing drills, missing most important events, birthdays etc, not spending a whole hell of a lot of time with your loved ones from about the age of 15, for all of that they get to actually play hockey about 30 minutes to an hour a week, most beer league players get to play more than that.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Corral

Yes. Most, if not every, player on the Flames roster. I think they would do their work for nothing. Many of them think and work hockey 24/7, and I don't think they consider themselves workaholics. And they certainly don't work to live. Sure they have hobbies and enjoy some time away from the rink - but few if any of them count the hours till the weekend or plan their vacation for months. They simply enjoy their work day in and day out.

The players in every collective bargaining agreement have fought for more mandated days off during the season that couldn't be taken away.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Corral

I guess i'm weird. And I maybe your ideal work involves hiking with minimal or no interaction with people.

And what job is that exactly. You can't turn a hobby into a job without it becoming work.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Corral

Yes. Most, if not every, player on the Flames roster. I think they would do their work for nothing. Many of them think and work hockey 24/7, and I don't think they consider themselves workaholics. And they certainly don't work to live. Sure they have hobbies and enjoy some time away from the rink - but few if any of them count the hours till the weekend or plan their vacation for months. They simply enjoy their work day in and day out.

I think NHL hockey players might be the opposite example of those who would work for free...

[bigtmac19]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Working and keeping busy is also a form of self-medication.



I actually find that keeping busy is what cured the ADHD/OCD urges and the anxiety and depression experienced when I was in my teens.

A family member has some mental health issues/depression. She works a lot! She told me she finds the structure of work helps manage her issues, she does better with a busy schedule and less free time.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

I think NHL hockey players might be the opposite example of those who would work for free...

Its a thought experiment. So the way to approach this is to ask hypothetically would the person still do what they do if they didn't get paid. I think most NHL players would still play competitive hockey for the thrill of playing before thousands of spectators on national TV.

And I don't think guys leave the NHL because they are tired of living their dream. I think they get physically wore out.

[FlamesPuck12]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

lol. Ok quick, tell me how the poor are poor because they just don't try hard enough!

There is a difference between financial success, job success, life success and work life balance.

Seems like you equate financial and jobs success with life success and happiness. Seems kinda sad.

Even you basic premise doesn't make sense. Some people love to travel and sit on the beach and hike. Are they failures because they don't work hard enough at their jobs?

Life happiness and success is not always directly tied to job satisfaction. The idea that everyone can just magically work a job they love through hard work is laughable. Otherwise we'd all be astronauts, professional athletes and rock stars.

Cecil's conversation with Matata reminds me of this piece:
https://brightside.me/article/what-y...-others-10155/

Spoiler!

Some people think their success (and their fulfilling job) is all due to "hard work". Yes, you do need to work hard, but there are so many other factors that they dismiss that led them to success. And of course, a lot of these successful people look down on others with "####ty" job as not trying hard enough.