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Old 01-26-2016, 03:26 PM   #81
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I've always felt that athletes should be allowed to use performance enhancing drugs if they wish. Right now we don't actually know who is or is not clean. We really only know who has a bad trainer that wasn't able to develop a regimen that can be undetectable within a relatively short period of time.

In the info posted above, you can see there is offseason testing but the player has 2 weeks to respond to a request for testing. Then from that point of contact they presumably have a timeline of another few days to actually take the test. A good trainer will have you on drugs that are able to flushed from the system in 2 weeks. Then you avoid banned substances during the season when you could be tested at a moment's notice and get back on the regimen in the offseason.

So we actually aren't stopping the use of PED's, we're just making hoops for players to jump through. But the leagues ignore that and pat themselves on the back for a job well done.
I not only want players to be given the choice to use it, I want it encouraged. I want sports to become a freak show of steroid use and genetic engineering. Not only at the professional level, but at the amateur level.

I want pharma companies to be able to sponser players to show their awesome ability to push humans to the tidle point of freakish perfection.

I want players getting smashed through the boards in a rage and unloading 200 mile an hour slapshots at goalies with legs 8 feet think and hands that look like 4 foot across catching gloves.

I want Olympic weight lifting records to be 5 digits. I want swimmers with blow holes and flipper feet. Boxers with cast iron fists.

I want 17 feet tall basket ball players, and defensive linemen that weight 500 pounds who can run the 40 in under 3 seconds.

I want to achieve warp speed at the hundred meter dash and because Marathons are so boring, I want them run in under 30 minutes.

Its what's best for business.

Can you imagine A highjumper wearing Phizer gear leaping 30 feet in the air while two executives talk about their latest steroid, that goes up for sale on Monday?

Can you imagine if the battle between pitcher and batter because a battle between a pitcher with steroids running through his veins with a literal cannon for an arm against a batter who's arm is a cast iron skillet shaped bat that he can swing at 800 miles an hour, fans being deafened by the sonic bomb of the ball screaming into the next state or killed by the artificial singularity ripped in the time space continuum?

I want
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Old 01-26-2016, 03:33 PM   #82
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Does this guy look like someone who's taken steroids?



Sewn together from the corpses of insane criminals and re-animated by lightning strikes in a castle lab maybe. But Steroids? Nah.
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So if he was taking PEDs in the off-season, how are we only getting results now after he cheated for half a season?
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Old 01-26-2016, 06:55 PM   #84
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Also, who administers the tests
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Old 01-27-2016, 03:48 AM   #85
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I get the cynicism over Horcoffs apology, but then again all kinds of people F up all the time, even in things that are very important to them.

Doctors also make a ton of mistakes in much bigger issues than remembering to talk about something they should.

I also think it's more important that Horcoff admits to what happened and it being his own fault, than what exactly is his stated reason.
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Old 01-27-2016, 10:55 AM   #87
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I wonder what he was on?

Most steroids are in your system for 3 days to 3 weeks after you take them. I believe there are ways to test for them even longer, so it wouldn't make sense for an NHL player to take them mid season when they test. This would include most forms of testosterone, which I'm not sure I would take if I was a hockey player anyhow.

HGH on the other hand....totally different. It clears in 24 hours, and the test itself can be fooled by injecting supplemental compounds to mimic natural body levels. You can take it year round, and with 24 hours notice easily clear it from detection.

See here on NFL testing:

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/articl...hgh-test-is-bs

If he was on HGH (would make sense from an injury recovery standpoint) I might actually believe his defense that he didn't know it was banned, because it's so ridiculously easy to get out of your system before you get tested. That or he's just really, really, really dumb......
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Old 01-27-2016, 04:25 PM   #88
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Wonder if there is a full list of all banned substances by the NHL/NHLPA anywhere out there for the public to see? Would be interesting to take a look at what all is banned.
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Wonder if there is a full list of all banned substances by the NHL/NHLPA anywhere out there for the public to see? Would be interesting to take a look at what all is banned.
My understanding is that most sports follow the World Anti-Doping Agency's standards with some minor changes in some cases.

As you can see through that link, a ton of stuff is banned. Stuff you can go out and buy right now over the counter with no issue like Ephedrine. And there's a ton of prescriptions drugs with legitimate uses that are probably exempt with a doctor's recommendation and the correct forms completed.
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