CBC reporter files complaint with RCMP over unwanted kiss

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I wouldn't like it, but I wouldn't consider it sexual. I'd think it was weird/inappropriate/whatever. My mom kisses me on the cheek. I kiss her on the cheek. Same with my grandma, nieces, aunts, daughter, etc. There is nothing sexual about a kiss on the cheek.

What really? You are saying a kiss on the cheek from a female family member isn't sexual, well I have heard everything now.

[GirlySports]

you guys really comparing family to strangers?

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Canada isn't southern Europe, so that argument is irrelevant.

No, it's not at all. I'm just making the point that there is absolutely nothing sexual about kissing on the cheek and that it's a pretty common greeting between strangers. This is nothing more than a harmless peck on the cheek.

Sure, it's a little obnoxious of this guy to interrupt a broadcast, but this woman is out to lunch making it a bigger deal than it is. If the guy came up and made out with her then she might have a point.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Zarley

No, it's not at all. I'm just making the point that there is absolutely nothing sexual about kissing on the cheek and that it's a pretty common greeting between strangers. This is nothing more than a harmless peck on the cheek.

Sure, it's a little obnoxious of this guy to interrupt a broadcast, but this woman is out to lunch making it a bigger deal than it is. If the guy came up and made out with her then she might have a point.

A greeting is different than an attack which is what this was.

I'm sure even in Canada if Resolute introduced us:

"Zarley, this is Girly"
"Girly, this is Zarley"

and you learned in for a kiss on the cheek. I would either let you or lean back awkwardly. Even if I'm offended I wouldn't consider it an assault because it's a greeting and with Resolute there I feel safe.

But if you just come up out of nowhere me and kissed me on the cheek, that's an assault.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Zarley

No, it's not at all. I'm just making the point that there is absolutely nothing sexual about kissing on the cheek and that it's a pretty common greeting between strangers. This is nothing more than a harmless peck on the cheek.

Sure, it's a little obnoxious of this guy to interrupt a broadcast, but this woman is out to lunch making it a bigger deal than it is. If the guy came up and made out with her then she might have a point.

I agree that not all kisses are sexual.

What is more important in this situation:

A: How it was intended?

B: How it was received?

[chemgear]

Man, some of the posts in this thread. Coming in here, it's almost as bad as the racist assault on the Canadian Cab Driver.



People trying to figure out a way to blame the cab driver and that he somehow deserved it. And you know, how this reporter was just asking for it by being a woman/at a music festival/"it's not that bad"/hey, you leave your house, I can do whatever I want with you/I do it to my close family members so I can do it to you. /sarcasm

The BS that people will condone.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

A greeting is different than an attack which is what this was.

I'm sure even in Canada if Resolute introduced us:

"Zarley, this is Girly"
"Girly, this is Zarley"

and you learned in for a kiss on the cheek. I would either let you or lean back awkwardly. Even if I'm offended I wouldn't consider it an assault because it's a greeting and with Resolute there I feel safe.

But if you just come up out of nowhere me and kissed me on the cheek, that's an assault.

Fine, it's an assault. We're saying it's not a sexual assault.

What's so hard to understand about this?

[Erick Estrada]

I will say if she is truly "rattled" by that little peck then she's not what I would call a mentally strong person. Yeah I get that it was not desirable and all but to let it languish is destructive behaviour.

[pylon]

Then, I guess, one of the most iconic photos of all time is in fact a rape in progress. These two did not know each other. I am surprised Greta Zimmer did not press charges.



Don't get me wrong, what he did was inappropriate and dumb, but it didn't seem remotely sexual in nature to me. If the dude apologizes for being an ass hat, I think that should be enough.

[Zarley]

An attack?

This thread is so bizarre. I feel like I've stepped into conservative rural Utah or something.

Obviously cheek kissing isn't a social norm in Canada, but occasionally you'll run into a European who greets you that way.

This is really not a big deal.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by pylon

If the dude apologizes for being an ass hat, I think that should be enough.

That's not up to us to decide, it's up to her. The law is there.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Zarley

An attack?

This thread is so bizarre. I feel like I've stepped into conservative rural Utah or something.

Obviously cheek kissing isn't a social norm in Canada, but occasionally you'll run into a European who greets you that way.

This is really not a big deal.

I have been to lots of countries in Europe.

The number of times I was great with someone running up behind me and kissing me is 0.

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I have been to lots of countries in Europe.

The number of times I was great with someone running up behind me and kissing me is 0.

That's great and neither have I, but I'm not making that comparison. The point I'm making is that it is ridiculous to call a kiss on the cheek some type of perverse, aggressive act.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

That's not up to us to decide, it's up to her. The law is there.

Look, I am not defending this guys actions, but if this happened to me by a woman or man, or pretty much any woman I know, they would not be trying to file assault charges, and ruin this delta bravo's life. Sometimes we have to deal with awkward moments in life, without involving the law. When I was in the Saddledome for Game 6 against Vancouver, and I think it was Stajan that scored in OT, the guy next to me I didn't know hugged me uninvited, and it was awkward. But I didn't go get an usher and ask him to be ejected and launch a sexual assault claim. If the guy grabbed my package or something... then yeah, I would probably have an issue.

In the same position I would just shrug my shoulders roll my eyes and continue on with my day. Yes, technically what this guy did was wrong, but to go on a life destroying witch hunt, is beyond ridiculous.

[Yamer]

Consent, context, intent, and interpretation all play a role here. The semantic justifications are really perplexing. To me, any intimate personal contact between two persons falls within the broader category of sexual contact (especially if either the victim or perpetrator interpret that way), and if there is no consent then I believe that is assault.

I think she is absolutely within her right to file a complaint, and I think an appropriate response would be a private, personal apology and reconciliation. This sort of thing has never happened to me, but even given the context (without trying to be so bold as to assume her mindset) I find it challenging to believe it was such a violation as to warrant the current reaction.

This sort of stuff was never ok, and if making a big deal out this particular incident gets people talking about stopping it then so be it.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by pylon

Look, I am not defending this guys actions, but if this happened to me by a woman or man, or pretty much any woman I know, they would not be trying to file assault charges, and ruin this delta bravo's life. Sometimes we have to deal with awkward moments in life, without involving the law. When I was in the Saddledome for Game 6 against Vancouver, and I think it was Stajan that scored in OT, the guy next to me I didn't know hugged me uninvited, and it was awkward. But I didn't go get an usher and ask him to be ejected and launch a sexual assault claim. If the guy grabbed my package or something... then yeah, I would probably have an issue.

In the same position I would just shrug my shoulders roll my eyes and continue on with my day. Yes, technically what this guy did was wrong, but to go on a life destroying witch hunt, is beyond ridiculous.

Sure, I probably wouldn't either.
But what happens to us, doesn't happen while we're working or gets posted on youtube for all to see. It's definitely a violation.

Another scenario. If you (any of you) were on the C-Train and a girl was kissed on the cheek by some guy who ran off, would you be a witness? Would you help her identify the guy or just brush it off and convince her bah, it's just a kiss, it's nothing. Or vice versa, guy kissed by girl.

We need to protect each other.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Nyah

Really? So if some adult stranger walked up to you and kissed you on the cheek without warning or invitation how would you see it?

As someone being an idiot, and I would just say "Get lost idiot."

Then I would forget about it by the end of the day, and continue forgetting about it for the entirety of my life.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Fine, it's an assault. We're saying it's not a sexual assault.

What's so hard to understand about this?

Honestly, what is so hard to understand is that the definition of level 1 sexual assault in Canada specifically includes the noun "Kissing" and yet there are people here saying the exact opposite. It's freaking weird.

[Hanna Sniper]

I have a bigger issue with the lack of quality reporting by these on location reporters.... I have zero doubt the CBC was looking for such a response. Sorry for the lady and hopefully therapy will allow her to go on a live a happy life

The story is a bigger issue then the effects or rights of the two individuals . Without the CBC agenda this would have zero traction for that that it is a shame. If this was sincere then I would fully support the reporter but I have zero doubts it isn't and for that I'm not going to be their pawn

[pylon]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Sure, I probably wouldn't either.
But what happens to us, doesn't happen while we're working or gets posted on youtube for all to see. It's definitely a violation.

Another scenario. If you (any of you) were on the C-Train and a girl was kissed on the cheek by some guy who ran off, would you be a witness? Would you help her identify the guy or just brush it off and convince her bah, it's just a kiss, it's nothing. Or vice versa, guy kissed by girl.

We need to protect each other.

I would ask her if she was OK. Then if she was like 99% of human beings not looking for a story scoop, she would say "Yeah, that was pretty weird and spooky." And probably just keep on keeping on.

If she asked me to stay around to help file a police report, legally I would feel obliged to, and would. But I would suspect most people would just chalk it up to some drunk or high weirdo.

If the woman was groped, or violently assaulted, of course, that is an entirely different scenario.

I am not arguing what this guy did was OK. I am arguing that the reaction is extreme. Nothing about what I saw in that video looked sexually menacing. It did look like stupid drunk/high idiot, just being a drunk/high idiot looking for 2 seconds of fame.