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[Mr.Coffee]

we thought they'd be bad, and they are. It's fine because that's the expectation and at least the organization is still moving in a new direction and making some good future building moves in my mind.

Having said that, the games have become a lot more boring the longer this season has gone on. I don't know if it's just me or the actual games but, there seems to be that spark missing from this team energy-wise. I think the Giordano injury was just so crippling. Can't wait til he's back.

[Scoutski]

Originally Posted by CedarMeter

What can you say. We hung in there with the best team in the NHL. Ya it hurts we were up 2-0 and lost but that's growing pains my friends. We got a point out of this. Let's grow and learn as a team and try to do better next time. Good effort Flames.

Just to clarify... The Flames didn't get any points from this game. They are .500 in the series with the Blackhawks so far, that's a positive way to look at it I guess.

[kehatch]

Can't blame Baertschi and Ramo for the loss. We got one shot in the third period. Stempniak, Hudler, and Cammalleri all had really bad turnovers. Stan got way to pretty a couple of times. Seriously guys, you have a goalie playing his first NHL game. Shoot the puck.

That said, Baertschi had a couple of bonehead plays that cost us. And Berra needs to learn to be less active so he stops putting himself out of position. ADD or something. The guy skids out of position constantly. He drops and turns his shoulders. His stick is everywhere. Not a good goalie.

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[Azhouse]

The loses don't sting as much this year. Saw momentum in some of the kids. Just once I want a #1 pick so I am watching individual play and the standings in reverse. I saw Sam Reinhart play live the other night and would like. Strength up the middle for the first time in 2 decades.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I ain't mad. This rebuilding acceptance has done wonders for my blood pressure..

This.

I would have loved to see a win tonight because I like watching the Flames and I prefer watching them win... but a whole whack of people are forgetting what's going on here.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

This.

I would have loved to see a win tonight because I like watching the Flames and I prefer watching them win... but a whole whack of people are forgetting what's going on here.

Exactly, I honestly don't expect a win. Ever. Then when they do it's sort of a nice surprise. I do want the games to be more interesting though, but again I can't tell if it's me or the games.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

People hate on Berra he was the only reason we had a lead. The team was giving up point blank chances. Karri ramo is just as bad if not worse.

Berra's aggressive tendencies are the problem. He needs to better decide when to jump forward and when to play closer to the net. It helps at times, but then he gets caught moving too much and puts the entire team on an adventure (or just fishing the puck out of their net) because he just couldn't sit still.

These sorts of things can be worked out; Berra's aggressiveness is a benefit when it's used effectively. But always going out to meet the shot can be a detriment.

Not saying Ramo would be better (impossible to tell since he's been effectively stapled to the bench - maybe Hartley knows something we don't), but the way Berra plays causes goals out of the most unusual circumstances.

[Table 5]

The only loss that really stung this year was the collapse against the Oilers. Other than that...meh, c'est la vie.

[Bar-Down]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

This.

I would have loved to see a win tonight because I like watching the Flames and I prefer watching them win... but a whole whack of people are forgetting what's going on here.

Yeah I'm confused.

The Flames are going to be brutal this year, we knew this coming into the season.

The next few years will be rough, get used to it.

Sit back and enjoy watching the young players. There will be some exciting games along the way but most will be ugly so brace yourselves.

Drafting high and often the next two years along with some strategic trades and signings is what this team needs. It's not gonna happen overnight.

[Bertuzzied]

I aint mad.... because these weren't the god damn Oilers we choked it to......

I'm still trying to figure out how Berra still gets starts after losing to the Oilers?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Didn't I just call him out for that icing mistake? Or is it easier for you to ignore that? I'm being fairly consistent, you're acting ridiculous. The whole game you're creating in your head of "Sven apologists" vs yourself is so childish.

Not upset when a player misses an open net because I realize an entire hockey game doesn't rely on that one moment. A good team will have other opportunities and bury other chances they get.

During the previous couple seasons I, and many others, said we'd rather see young players make mistakes but bring some excitement and potential to the line up rather then aging vets who make the same mistakes but don't learn from them. I still believe that. Basertschi is making mistakes, you know, like a rookie does, and some games will be a struggle but boiling down if he's an NHL player or not based on missing an open net, like you did, is really stupid.

He's got a long road ahead of him but he'll get there. Over reacting in a sorry attempt to be right is pretty sad.

lol I said an NHL player should have that...and he should have had it I bet he would agree. "Sven apologists" wasn't even my quote. And you are the one writing the 3 paragraph messages directed at me

[Racki]

Berra appears to have a little bit of "choke" in his game. I'm not writing him off because there is a lot I like about him. It is a rebuilding year I'd like to see Ramo get an extended look at this point.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Berra always seems out of position. That Pelle save he made was because he was flopping around like an idiot instead of sliding across and looking big. He seems like a great guy and he's a serviceable back-up but he is not a starting NHL goalie.

Was Kipper just doing his Ryan Kessler impression when he did the Scorpion?

[CedarMeter]

Originally Posted by Żoso

The Calgary Flames... they just simply suck at hockey.

What ever dude. Let it go. We hung in there with the best team in the NHL. I'm proud of the way the Flames played. It wasn't great but they did enough to get a point.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Can't blame Baertschi and Ramo for the loss. We got one shot in the third period. Stempniak, Hudler, and Cammalleri all had really bad turnovers. Stan got way to pretty a couple of times. Seriously guys, you have a goalie playing his first NHL game. Shoot the puck.

That said, Baertschi had a couple of bonehead plays that cost us. And Berra needs to learn to be less active so he stops putting himself out of position. ADD or something. The guy skids out of position constantly. He drops and turns his shoulders. His stick is everywhere. Not a good goalie.

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well you certainly can't blame Ramo

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

Anyone defending Berra is out to lunch. Kane's goals were both atrocious.

The guy can make crazy acrobatic saves sometimes, but he's just not an NHL goalie.

The second goal was last second deflection off a Flames player that changed direction. Berra was playing the pass that Kane was trying to make.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Was Kipper just doing his Ryan Kessler impression when he did the Scorpion?

WTF does this mean?

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by dino7c

well you certainly can't blame Ramo

Hartley will find a way.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

This.

I would have loved to see a win tonight because I like watching the Flames and I prefer watching them win... but a whole whack of people are forgetting what's going on here.

I'd be alot happier with the outcomes if Hartley wasn't overplaying terrible players and the games outcomes were based off of bad plays by young players every game.

But Hartley has some stupid idea that his team is legitimately competitive and makes his roster and ice time decisions based off of this.

He's a terrible coach making terrible decisions and that is the most frustrating part of this "rebuild" so far.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

we thought they'd be bad, and they are. It's fine because that's the expectation and at least the organization is still moving in a new direction and making some good future building moves in my mind.

Having said that, the games have become a lot more boring the longer this season has gone on. I don't know if it's just me or the actual games but, there seems to be that spark missing from this team energy-wise. I think the Giordano injury was just so crippling. Can't wait til he's back.

I think it was reported by several observers that they had an unusually high-energy camp. They probably just got the jump on other teams to start the season.

Talent wins over time during the long season because it saves you energy. You don't need to outwork everyone all the time. As we saw tonight.

It's the reason Finland wins silver - eventually they face a team that both works hard and is more talented than them. Other teams have their #### together at this point of the season.