So wait, gay men are women now? Because I think gender separation re: changerooms/washrooms goes beyond sexual preference. Though on that note, I don't think there's any chance of men or women being raped by their gay counterparts in the lockerroom at the leisure centre.
If a man is going to rape a women it wont matter that the changerooms are women only. They already decided to rape someone. A single changeroom might in fact be safer as it would have more traffic. Its the pervy creeping by both genders that would become an issue.
What are reasons other than preventing arousal are there for genders being in different changing.
The more I think about it gender specific bathrooms are purely social norms with no benefit. If you dont want to be objectified change in a private stall.
There are actually quite a few unisex public restrooms in Quebec. I remember going as a little kid and asking my mom where the boys washroom was when I walked into a washroom with a bunch of ladies in it.
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There are actually quite a few unisex public restrooms in Quebec. I remember going as a little kid and asking my mom where the boys washroom was when I walked into a washroom with a bunch of ladies in it.
Was quite common in Iceland as well, still a number of them in the rural areas, but no longer in the cities. I remember being in unisex change rooms as a kid, its probably why today I am a violent rapist and serial murderer.
I wonder what people would say if two homosexuals on the same team were in a relationship.
Does it make a difference:
if they were involved before being on the team, or if it only started after the fact?
if it's professional sports vs. a rec. league?
if it's men vs. women?
Given that they act professionally while with the rest of the team, are they obligated to tell their teammates (especially if they know they may face bigotry)? Does a relationship betray the 'teammate' dynamic?
Sorry if this strays from the main topic, but it just had me wondering.
My boss is a lesbian and we work out together every night at our gym at work. We then get in the shower, a two person shower, and sometimes we're in there at the same time, sometimes we're not. We proceed to walk around naked in the locker room until we get dressed. I never even though about it until I read this thread. I know her partner, she knows my husband, we're friends, and I could care less. Maybe guys are different.
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My boss is a lesbian and we work out together every night at our gym at work. We then get in the shower, a two person shower, and sometimes we're in there at the same time, sometimes we're not. We proceed to walk around naked in the locker room until we get dressed. I never even though about it until I read this thread. I know her partner, she knows my husband, we're friends, and I could care less. Maybe guys are different.
My boss is a lesbian and we work out together every night at our gym at work. We then get in the shower, a two person shower, and sometimes we're in there at the same time, sometimes we're not. We proceed to walk around naked in the locker room until we get dressed. I never even though about it until I read this thread. I know her partner, she knows my husband, we're friends, and I could care less. Maybe guys are different.
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I wonder what people would say if two homosexuals on the same team were in a relationship.
Does it make a difference:
if they were involved before being on the team, or if it only started after the fact? Yes, I would say professional teammates shouldn't be seeing each other regardless of gender or sexual preference. If they were together before you can't really break them up, but at least it would stop them from sexually assaulting everyone else....
if it's professional sports vs. a rec. league? Yes. Professional is a no-no, just like any workplace. Rec wouldn't matter.
if it's men vs. women? Doesn't matter. Most hetero relationships wouldn't face this situation anyways since Pro-leagues are mostly segregated.
Given that they act professionally while with the rest of the team, are they obligated to tell their teammates (especially if they know they may face bigotry)? Does a relationship betray the 'teammate' dynamic?
I believe it does betray a team dynamic, but you can't really stop it. I would expect them to tell teammates purely because its a team/family and trust is a big part of success in that scenario. Telling the public is different and should be up to them.
Sorry if this strays from the main topic, but it just had me wondering.
Answers in bold.
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I don't have a lot to weight in on the matter, but have a relatable story to share.
In my final year of University I was starting goaltender of the hockey team. This was a Christian University I should add. And at the time there wasn't an openly gay student on campus.
Being gay myself I was struggling with the internal battle and with the support and recommendation of a trusted prof and friends, decided I would use the opportunity of a personal essay in class to open up and reveal my sexuality. My class was a small group of 25 or so students, but I knew that once shared, the news would spread like wildfire across campus.
The timing was unfortunate as our hockey team's regular season had just ended and we were preparing for playoffs. This was my biggest detractor in my coming-out decision. I didn't want to affect the team or cause a distraction. It caused me great stress and I regretted having to put all of us in this awkward situation.
The class was on a Friday, and after the revelation was complete I headed out of town for the weekend. On Monday evening we had a practice, and I purposely ensured I was the last one to the team van's meeting place just before departure. I drove the equipment van so didn't have to travel with the teammates, and I wondered what kind of discussion was going on in the player van.
Nothing was said prior to practice. I kept my head down and mouth shut as I whipped on my gear and hit the ice. Practice was business as usual.
We were the last team on the ice that day, so coming off the ice after practice the adjacent dressing room was unoccupied and open. Again, keeping my head down I ripped off my gear and grabbed my towel and went across the hall to the empty room so I could shower alone and leave everyone in the room a little less uncomfortable.
What happened next, was probably the nicest and most amazing gesture I've ever experienced in my life.
The two most veteran guys on the team, and unquestioned leaders, grabbed their towels and followed me across the hall to shower alongside me. I don't remember if anything much was said, certainly nothing about me being gay or my recent coming out, but the act itself was incredibly bold and brave and sent a clear message to myself and the rest of the team how we would all proceed from that point. Nothing had changed.
I actually just welled up a bit rethinking that moment. For a guy who was going through a personal Hell, their actions meant the world, and allowed me to put my focus back on Hockey, my one and only real passion at the time.
That's it, that's all I had to share.
But as some of you are probably wondering or asking, relating to this thread:
There were actually a few members on my team I considered highly attractive (a rarity, typically it'd be none or one at most). But no, I did not ogle or sexualize them in the lockerroom. I was there for one purpose. To play hockey. And I respect personal boundaries.
I assume the vast majority of athletes, especially professionals, conduct themselves in the same way.
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That's an awesome story. Great to hear something like that after reading about so many of these bigoted chuckleheads.
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My boss is a lesbian and we work out together every night at our gym at work. We then get in the shower, a two person shower, and sometimes we're in there at the same time, sometimes we're not. We proceed to walk around naked in the locker room until we get dressed. I never even though about it until I read this thread. I know her partner, she knows my husband, we're friends, and I could care less. Maybe guys are different.
Great story Kidder. Thank you for sharing. Do you think being a Christian College allowed them to be more accepting? Or were you expecting the opposite given the general religious concensus on the matter?
I think you should send your story to Brian Burke. Don't they have an organization to help gay athletes?
If they were together before you can't really break them up, but at least it would stop them from sexually assaulting everyone else...
Man, I really hope that last part was supposed to be in green. If not, then you are really out to lunch thinking that unless gay people are in a relationship that they would sexually assault everyone else.
