It might be "old man shouting at clouds" but I never understood why a team needs a POHO. It's just another layer. Half the time it means they don't trust the GM, half the times it means there's an old dude they wanted to give a no responsibility job (often the previous GM).
Maloney was interim GM after Treliving left. If they wanted him in charge they could have left him there, like Feaster (LOL). But they chose Conroy and I think they gave Maloney the PHO job to keep him occupied and not demote him back to pro scouting (which he wasn't good at based on the Flames' pro talent evaluations between 2016 and 2020 or so).
That is the case here IMO. Flames have gone through some poor GM's and this seems like a check and balance type response. Now why they confidence in their POHO isn't as easy to understand.
That is the case here IMO. Flames have gone through some poor GM's and this seems like a check and balance type response. Now why they confidence in their POHO isn't as easy to understand.
Especially when the POHO was brought in by the last gm, who the owner now despises. The whole management situation with this team is just so confusing.
So its in the news today that Vancouver is shopping their vets (not Hughes). Which probably means Hughes is gone eventually. Seems like they are ready to lean into a bad season and starting over.
Imagine they get a top 3 pick and the Flames don't.
Shrewd Vancouver traded a first like 6 montha ago...besides who are they trading? Kane?
That is the case here IMO. Flames have gone through some poor GM's and this seems like a check and balance type response. Now why they confidence in their POHO isn't as easy to understand.
I don't think so. I think it is a side job awarded to Maloney when he didn't get the prime seat. But also, Conroy is a rookie so there was likley a perception that a more experienced guy should be around.
This one I just finished watching. Nothing earth shattering, just more sabre rattling, bone knawing, whatever we wanna call it... but I also want to say how much I love Noodles. The perfect tandem-partner for Kipper and a just (by all accounts) a really awesome dude to be/have around. "Old boys club" be damned, he's the kind of people you want in your org at some level.
Let's keep andersson and let him walk for nothing because Maloney thinks we need to compete this year
Frig.. it's almost like Maloney yearns for Treliving
Walking would be suboptimal, but re-signing the player on his terms even more so in my view. If I had to pick, my preference in order would be trade, walk, re-sign.
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I’m surprised this hasn’t been posted yet. Ken Wilson unloads on the Flames in the Herald.
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Wilson: Flames management is living in a land of delusion
There is absolutely no path back to contendership that doesn’t lead through a period where the team is bad. Pretending otherwise is folly
Recent comments by Flames president of hockey operations Don Maloney have caused a firestorm to rage through the Flames fanbase. Topics were wide-ranging, but in summary, Maloney revealed that Calgary’s management:
* Plans to continue to fight for the season.
* Doesn’t want to trade any veterans.
* Doesn’t think the market can stomach a full rebuild.
* Has no interest in (purposefully) finishing in a lottery position this year.
This isn’t a terrible shock, given the front office’s prior comments and consistent habit of dancing around the term “rebuild,” but it nevertheless reveals a kind of belligerent delusion that flies in the face of the organization’s current situation (as well as its lackluster history of success).…
He goes on to cite the woeful history of the franchise in recent decades. And concludes:
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… This rather unremarkable list of results simply illustrates that the Flames have not uncovered a new formula for team building. Crafting a contender is not easy, but it is straightforward: Collect elite talent. And the best way to do that is to pick high (and pick often) at the draft. There is quite literally no way more likely to deliver an era-defining talent than finishing in the lottery.
This is something the club has never done. Its march through the middle of the standings for three-plus decades, and its inability to build a consistent Stanley Cup contender, is not coincidental…
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ESPN's Quarter-Pole Ratings (I didn't want to create yet another " on the Flames" thread, so I'm burying this here instead.)
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Preseason over/under: 83.5 Current points pace: 64.9
What has gone right? Being in contention for the worst record in the NHL usually comes with the association of a porous defensive structure. Unless it's the Flames, apparently.
Their defensive structure would be the hallmark of a team that's trying to make a push for a playoff spot. They're in the top four in terms of allowing the fewest scoring chances per 60 and high-danger scoring chances per 60. The Flames are also 13th in shots allowed per 60.
What has gone wrong? Their struggles in the offensive zone have played a significant part in why the Flames have alternated between having either the worst record in the NHL or one of the worst marks in the league. They were averaging 2.10 goals per game throughout the early portion of November.
But their recent three-game winning streak has seen them average 4.66 goals in those victories, which has raised their average to 2.38 goals per game. Don't get too excited; that's now the second-lowest average goals per game in the NHL. It's a figure that also makes them one of the more offense-challenged teams in NHL history. The Flames' current goals per game average would be in the bottom 200 teams all time in terms of single-season goals per game.
I don't think so. I think it is a side job awarded to Maloney when he didn't get the prime seat. But also, Conroy is a rookie so there was likley a perception that a more experienced guy should be around.
I bet he's paid less than Conroy.
How they are paid doesn't really color my view of why Maloney is there. He was there to provide guard rails for Conroy. If Conroy was totally trusted, wouldn't need him.
No idea how he is perceived today though. No owner will like how this went down.
At the end of the day, I'd bet the Flames do end up trading Andersson as well as one or two other pieces - I doubt it ends up being Kadri.
However, they'll do it after they've played their way back into the mushy middle - and then the discourse will be around "well, what did you expect the Flames to do? They sold veterans - that's what you wanted!" but by the time they'll complete these trades, they'll have lost the window to actually draft a player that will truly, meaningfully change the course of the organization.
We'll snag a Monahan-tier player, while others snag those top tier players and we'll end up losing to them come playoff time just like the last cycle, and because we won't have the top tier talent we also won't be a consistent playoff team - because that comes on the backs of top tier players.
This organization has never been proactive enough to meaningfully move the needle. Being proactive about would be Conroy working every day right now to find a home for Kadri, Coleman, and Andersson - and he'd start pulling the trigger before Christmas. The deals we get at the deadline vs. the deals we get before Christmas won't be SO significant that it's worth going from a MacKinnon to a Monahan come draft day.
I hope I'm wrong, but history shows I'm probably not.
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At the end of the day, I'd bet the Flames do end up trading Andersson as well as one or two other pieces - I doubt it ends up being Kadri.
However, they'll do it after they've played their way back into the mushy middle - and then the discourse will be around "well, what did you expect the Flames to do? They sold veterans - that's what you wanted!" but by the time they'll complete these trades, they'll have lost the window to actually draft a player that will truly, meaningfully change the course of the organization.
We'll snag a Monahan-tier player, while others snag those top tier players and we'll end up losing to them come playoff time just like the last cycle, and because we won't have the top tier talent we also won't be a consistent playoff team - because that comes on the backs of top tier players.
This organization has never been proactive enough to meaningfully move the needle. Being proactive about would be Conroy working every day right now to find a home for Kadri, Coleman, and Andersson - and he'd start pulling the trigger before Christmas. The deals we get at the deadline vs. the deals we get before Christmas won't be SO significant that it's worth going from a MacKinnon to a Monahan come draft day.
I hope I'm wrong, but history shows I'm probably not.
And then as the draft approaches people here will be proposing our pick , the Vegas pick and the pick we acquire for Andersson for the 3rd overall to draft our Center of the future !
At the end of the day, I'd bet the Flames do end up trading Andersson as well as one or two other pieces - I doubt it ends up being Kadri.
However, they'll do it after they've played their way back into the mushy middle - and then the discourse will be around "well, what did you expect the Flames to do? They sold veterans - that's what you wanted!" but by the time they'll complete these trades, they'll have lost the window to actually draft a player that will truly, meaningfully change the course of the organization.
We'll snag a Monahan-tier player, while others snag those top tier players and we'll end up losing to them come playoff time just like the last cycle, and because we won't have the top tier talent we also won't be a consistent playoff team - because that comes on the backs of top tier players.
This organization has never been proactive enough to meaningfully move the needle. Being proactive about would be Conroy working every day right now to find a home for Kadri, Coleman, and Andersson - and he'd start pulling the trigger before Christmas. The deals we get at the deadline vs. the deals we get before Christmas won't be SO significant that it's worth going from a MacKinnon to a Monahan come draft day.
I hope I'm wrong, but history shows I'm probably not.
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I have said before but for example if someone offers you a 1st and 2nd for Kadri now, and a 1st and 2nd and 3rd at the deadline for example. Let's just say those are the hypothetical offers. Is it worth waiting and gaining a 3rd round pick if the difference is trading him now and finishing 31st, or trading him at the deadline and finishing 24th for example.
And I know I'll get torn apart because you don't know how the rest of the season goes. But common sense says our team is significantly better with our best center playing. And we will have way less points losing our best player.
I have said before but for example if someone offers you a 1st and 2nd for Kadri now, and a 1st and 2nd and 3rd at the deadline for example. Let's just say those are the hypothetical offers. Is it worth waiting and gaining a 3rd round pick if the difference is trading him now and finishing 31st, or trading him at the deadline and finishing 24th for example.
And I know I'll get torn apart because you don't know how the rest of the season goes. But common sense says our team is significantly better with our best center playing. And we will have way less points losing our best player.
I mean its easy when you make up an example to fit your narrative...you have no idea what is being offered now. Fact is nearly all the massive overpays we see are at the deadline when teams are trying to compete with the other teams going for it.
I mean its easy when you make up an example to fit your narrative...you have no idea what is being offered now. Fact is nearly all the massive overpays we see are at the deadline when teams are trying to compete with the other teams going for it.
I mean maybe, depends what kind of market it is. Could be a sellers market, but it seems there is going to be quite a few teams selling compared to last year when we could have gotten a ransom for some players.
So could end up being a buyers market at the deadline.
I mean its easy when you make up an example to fit your narrative...you have no idea what is being offered now. Fact is nearly all the massive overpays we see are at the deadline when teams are trying to compete with the other teams going for it.
Don’t swing for a massive overpay, because the most important asset this organization has is their own 1st round pick.
Lindholm’s deal wasn’t a deadline deal and we still got great value.
We’re all talking hypotheticals. If Andersson goes tomorrow, then it’s “Conroy got his price” and it’s a closed topic.
Relative to expectations the Oilers shouldn't have a better grade.
The Flames were expected to be mediocre to bad and are very bad
The Oilers are supposed to be contending and have been bad.
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I mean maybe, depends what kind of market it is. Could be a sellers market, but it seems there is going to be quite a few teams selling compared to last year when we could have gotten a ransom for some players.
So could end up being a buyers market at the deadline.
Friedman, who seem to believe fully, has said the offers haven't been such that you would move the player(s) so they really can't do it now.
It might creep into the season but if the market doesn't emerge that's not on the team.
You can't give assets away.
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on the Flames" thread, so I'm burying this here instead.)
