Too early to panic about Markstrom - Page 44 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Erick Estrada · 02-15-2023, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by activeStick

A survey of players and NHL executives found Markstrom as the 8th best goalie in the NHL. This should be interesting.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/ins...yers-vote-best

1. Vasilevskiy
2. Shesterkin
3. Hellebuyck
4. Sorokin
5. Oettinger
6. Saros
7. Ullmark
8. Markstrom
9. Gibson
10. Hart

I think the Flames would have no issues trading him in the offseason if they wanted to go that route or Markstrom wants out. It could be best for both parties. I'm not sure I would want to risk another season on him regaining his confidence as another bad season will make him much harder to move.

Naitix · 02-15-2023, 08:59 AM

I still think the best choice is to give Wolf some games to see how he is at NHL level, and then trade Markstrom.
I think Vladar is a solid goalie with good positioning and base skills that allow him to be effective but I do not think he has the high end skills to carry a team to the cup. Wolf definitely has all the skills you want from a contender goalie, if he is legit, we need to trade Markstorm to free up the cap space while others teams think it is just a one off regarding his struggles.

tvp2003 · 02-15-2023, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Well Clark has 3 years left after this on his contract. Canucks won't let him come to Calgary

Ian Clark has a great reputation as a goalie coach, but even he can only do so much. Demko had even worse numbers before he got hurt this year, and his two backups (who admittedly are not NHL-calbre yet if at all) have been equally as porous this year.

I wonder if Markstrom is compensating for our defensive breakdowns by playing too deep in his net; it doesn't absolve him of all the soft/early goals but we certainly weren't giving up as many quality chances against last year.

Toonage · 02-15-2023, 09:11 AM

Not sure what Clark could tell Markstrom that he wouldn't already know at this point in his career.

tvp2003 · 02-15-2023, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Naitix

I still think the best choice is to give Wolf some games to see how he is at NHL level, and then trade Markstrom.
I think Vladar is a solid goalie with good positioning and base skills that allow him to be effective but I do not think he has the high end skills to carry a team to the cup. Wolf definitely has all the skills you want from a contender goalie, if he is legit, we need to trade Markstorm to free up the cap space while others teams think it is just a one off regarding his struggles.

Wolf struggled at the start of his AHL career, and even at the start of this season (although he is/has been lights out since). So I don't think playing him now, absent injury and in the thick of the playoff chase, is really putting him in the best chance to succeed.

In my mind, this year its Vladar's net to lose, and if necessary you look at Wolf as an option for next year. Of course, if we manage to fall out of the playoff race entirely, then yes you send in the Wolf and see how he does.

Naitix · 02-15-2023, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tvp2003

Wolf struggled at the start of his AHL career, and even at the start of this season (although he is/has been lights out since). So I don't think playing him now, absent injury and in the thick of the playoff chase, is really putting him in the best chance to succeed.

In my mind, this year its Vladar's net to lose, and if necessary you look at Wolf as an option for next year. Of course, if we manage to fall out of the playoff race entirely, then yes you send in the Wolf and see how he does.

Wolf never struggled in AHL. He played 3 games in 2020, where in the first game he let in 5 on 11 shots, then he followed that up with .947 and .963 games. In the 2021 he literally had ~.950 save percentage in the first 5 games. This year sure he "struggled" in the first 5 games and had a .900 save percentage, but the whole team struggled majorly and from what I remember since I actually watched the games, they basically gave up 10 high danger chances per game

Infinit47 · 02-15-2023, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think the Flames would have no issues trading him in the offseason if they wanted to go that route or Markstrom wants out. It could be best for both parties. I'm not sure I would want to risk another season on him regaining his confidence as another bad season will make him much harder to move.

This is a good point. Right now it feels like no team would ever consider this guy, but that's just an emotional response because we are in the middle of his terrible year. Looking at other goalies they almost all have off years, and so a trade is probably possible in the offseason.

tvp2003 · 02-15-2023, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Naitix

Wolf never struggled in AHL. He played 3 games in 2020, where in the first game he let in 5 on 11 shots, then he followed that up with .947 and .963 games. In the 2021 he literally had ~.950 save percentage in the first 5 games. This year sure he "struggled" in the first 5 games and had a .900 save percentage, but the whole team struggled majorly and from what I remember since I actually watched the games, they basically gave up 10 high danger chances per game

I stand corrected -- for some reason I remembered him starting off slowly last year before settling in. This year I would agree the team started slow but he was also a part of it (the one game I watched the whole team looked overmatched).

I like Wolf a lot but it's not like our defence wasn't giving up a ton of high dangers on many nights.

Brodie66 · 02-20-2023, 05:00 PM

I hope it's not still too early to panic about this absolute sieve between our pipes

Mathgod · 02-20-2023, 05:02 PM

It's not time to "panic about" Markstrom.

It's time to "move on from" Markstrom.

Johnny Makarov · 02-20-2023, 05:03 PM

His time is done as a Flame. Irredeemable.

Manhattanboy · 02-20-2023, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

His time is done as a Flame. Irredeemable.

Too bad his contract is immovable.

But I would waive him and see if maybe…..

ComixZone · 02-20-2023, 05:08 PM

Dude was rocking an .889 coming into today and then posts an .818

All we can do is laugh through the tears.

Perfect goalie for a rebuild?

Joborule · 02-20-2023, 05:08 PM

I definitely think we're at the point that Markstrom will not be a Flame next season. There's no way he's gonna find his way for the rest of the year, and you can't be confident that he'll bounce back next season either. If Flames miss playoffs, it'll primarily be because of him.

Don't know how you can have him back in the locker room next season since his teammates have to have no confidence in him at this point.

Flamesfan05 · 02-20-2023, 05:19 PM

Change the title to it’s too late

PepsiFree · 02-20-2023, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Change the title to it’s too late

No. We need people to bump this thread after every bad Markstrom outing pretending that the sarcastic repeating of a 4 month old question is clever. It’s funny and memorable, and everyone who does it is the first person to think of it.

Paulie Walnuts · 02-20-2023, 05:34 PM

Just close the thread.

It's not time to panic about Markstrom he clearly sucks this season and everyone can see it.

Manhattanboy · 02-20-2023, 05:43 PM

Start a new thread for whatever one does after.

Snuffleupagus · 02-20-2023, 05:50 PM

Waive him, if no one takes him, buy him out and save $5m

ComixZone · 02-20-2023, 05:55 PM

A Marky buyout this summer is ugly, and it won’t happen.

Year 1: -$0.33M
Year 2: $4.17M
Year 3: $4.17M
Year 4: $1.67M
Year 5: $1.67M
Year 6: $1.67M

The contracts this team currently has should force them into rebuilding. They’re mediocre, they’re very expensive, and their prospect pool is the poops.