Stabbing in Brentwood-5 Dead, 1 Arrested

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

The reason for Jail is not rehabilitation you ignorant person

It's to serve as a deterrence to all those thinking of committing a crime.

If there are no serious repercussions to killing, I am sure more people would be murdered.

I think you don't know the actual reason for jail, then.

[puckluck2]

What's the purpose of the death penalty? To rehabilitate? Do they only want to rehabilitate certain criminals? Of course but a guy who kills 5 people should never see the light of day again. Even if he's mentally ill he should be locked away forever. Why take a chance he reoffends?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

What's the purpose of the death penalty? To rehabilitate? Do they only want to rehabilitate certain criminals? Of course but a guy who kills 5 people should never see the light of day again. Even if he's mentally ill he should be locked away forever. Why take a chance he reoffends?

There's plenty of countries in this world that do think and act this way. Thankfully Canada isn't one of them.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Better grab a comfy chair.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

That's kind of ridiculous. That's like an armoured car coming back to headquarters a little light on cash and someone saying "only a Loomis employee could have done this". I don't think Loomis drivers everywhere would get all up in arms about the statement.

Nobody said "mentally ill" and "mass murderer" are mutually inclusive.

What a bizarre analogy. I'm really not even sure how one relates to the other. When someone says something along the lines of "You'd have to be mentally ill to commit an act like this," it does imply that mentally ill people are more dangerous than those without mental illnesses, and further stigmatizes a section of society that is already heavily stigmatized.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

What's the purpose of the death penalty? To rehabilitate? Do they only want to rehabilitate certain criminals? Of course but a guy who kills 5 people should never see the light of day again. Even if he's mentally ill he should be locked away forever. Why take a chance he reoffends?

Because the idea is that it's pretty inhumane to imprison someone for doing something they have no control over.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by rubecube

What a bizarre analogy. I'm really not even sure how one relates to the other. When someone says something along the lines of "You'd have to be mentally ill to commit an act like this," it does imply that mentally ill people are more dangerous than those without mental illnesses, and further stigmatizes a section of society that is already heavily stigmatized.

If I associate violent crime with mental illness, then I don't have to deal with the uncomfortable realities of a person in an otherwise rational state of mind perpetrating the same acts.

See? It's just mental illness! I'm in the clear!

I believe it's rooted in almost the exact same mire of blaming 'evil'. Dehumanization.

It's uncomfortable to think that some of the most heinous acts we can think of can and are perpetrated by people in an otherwise lucid and rational state of mind.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Because the idea is that it's pretty inhumane to imprison someone for doing something they have no control over.

No it's not really. It is for the greater good of society. We don't need some mentally ill guy who has already murdered 5 people on the streets.

Hypothetically if it wasn't his fault and he had no control then so be it. Tough luck. He can rot in jail for all I care as long as he's not around people in case he gets another urge to slice up some more people I am happy.

What if he stops taking his medication? So many what ifs that it's not even worth taking the risk.

And I love how you classify all "mentally ill" as having no control especially after your whiny rant earlier. Being mentally ill does not mean you don't have full control.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Because the idea is that it's pretty inhumane to imprison someone for doing something they have no control over.

Inhumane or not, if the person has no control and is violent, he needs to be locked up for society's protection.
If he's been rehabilitated, that's different but there still needs to be a reasonable penalty for his offence.

My guess in this case is that drug or alcohol intoxication could be used as part of the defence.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

No it's not really. It is for the greater good of society. We don't need some mentally ill guy who has already murdered 5 people on the streets.

Hypothetically if it wasn't his fault and he had no control then so be it. Tough luck. He can rot in jail for all I care as long as he's not around people in case he gets another urge to slice up some more people I am happy.

What if he stops taking his medication? So many what ifs that it's not even worth taking the risk.

Good point. Hell, let's just lock up anyone who's had a psychotic episode of any kind. I mean how do we know their condition won't escalate? Have to consider the greater safety of society.

And I love how you classify all "mentally ill" as having no control especially after your whiny rant earlier. Being mentally ill does not mean you don't have full control.

Can you show me the quote where I said this, or is this another class in puckluck's extra special reading comprehension course?

[rubecube]

Double post

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Inhumane or not, if the person has no control and is violent, he needs to be locked up for society's protection.
If he's been rehabilitated, that's different but there still needs to be a reasonable penalty for his offence.

I agree completely. You don't let people with that kind of history back into society unless you're sure they're no longer a danger to society, but I'd rather leave that up to qualified experts than bunch of armchair jack-offs on the internet.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Ark2

That line can't always be uncrossed. To suggest otherwise is very naive. Often, the difference between justified killing and murder is the sense of enjoyment that one derives from the act. For those who enjoy snuffing the life out of someone, I don't believe that there is any coming back, and while there are those who can feign remorse and appear contrite for their actions, consider that these are morally absent people who feel justified in senseless murder. Crafting a veneer that appears rehabilitated and "normal" is something that they excel at.



Now, I suppose you will suggest that experts are able to see through such a mask of sanity and weed out the unreformed, but understand that this is not always the case. In fact, if you were to look at the profile of every serial killer throughout the last 50 years, you would likely see that at some point in their early history, before they committed their murders, they were evaluated by these so called experts and deemed to no-longer be a threat.



Sometimes, the point of jail is to prevent the loss of 2 lives becoming significantly more. Sometimes, people are straight evil.

Nor do I at any point suggest that to be the case. You simply have to try, and you sentence people based not only on the crime, but factors surrounding it.

Some people are indeed straight evil. It's hard to address your comment on the history of every serial killer, being that it doesn't seem to be true and you haven't provided any evidence towards it, but it's possible I suppose. However, how many serial killers start with a mass shooting? I'd be surprised if it was more than zero.

Lortie, for instance, has been out of jail for twenty years. He was a man trained to kill, and it's very likely that what happened was simply a misfire in the brain (paranoid schizophrenic, as was the defence). Is he inherently evil? It's difficult to know for sure, but he spent time in jail, hasn't re-offended, and contributes to society. That, to me, would be a success of the system.

If what you say is true, and nobody rehabilitates, they all just fake it, why not just kill them all? What's the difference really? Why not make every murder punishable by death and clean the slate?

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by rubecube

but I'd rather leave that up to qualified experts than bunch of armchair jack-offs on the internet.

Whoah whoah whoah!
Have you seen the expertise Puckluck has brought to not only this thread but the ####ty drug bust and food tampering ones? This guy is for real.

[chemgear]

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...599/story.html


He stands before more than 4,000 people, his lower lip trembling uncontrollably, but his head held high. As his beloved older brother’s name rings out in the packed Jack Simpson gym at the University of Calgary, Hong — draped in the gown his brother earned through years of sacrifice and hard work — stands proudly while the crowd erupts in cheers, applause and a standing ovation.

Lawrence Martin Hong is by now a familiar name to most Calgarians. On April 15, he was one of five young people whose lives were taken at an end-of-school party by another young man said to be a friend. Matthew de Grood, who had also attended the U of C, has been charged with first-degree murder in the deaths described as the worst mass slaying in Calgary’s history.

Hong, the recipient of a bachelor of arts degree in urban studies, isn’t the only U of C graduate receiving a posthumous degree this week: on June 13, Brett Wiese, killed in another stabbing in January of 2013, will be granted a bachelor of commerce degree.

[Cole436]

I was in the convocating class yesterday. Really emotional moment for everyone.

[united]

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The description:
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[Hockeyguy15]

Well I'm sure they will sell it, but I don't imagine it will be quick.

[Arya Stark]

Originally Posted by united

BUMP: The house is now for sale
http://www.tmunroe.com/mls-C3628447-...y_Alberta.html

The description:
The location of this property could not be better and it awaits your personal touch to turn it into something GREAT! With ample space inside, while located on a MASSIVE lot in a great community, this property has tons of potential for the right person/investor. It has a few updates, but needs some work to turn it into the gem it can be. It possesses the AMAZING basics you cannot add on later: location, great structure, huge corner lot and big beautiful trees. Complete with 4 bedrooms, this property has all the right bones for you and your family. Take the time, book a showing today, and let its convenient and beautiful location impress you!

This has to be a joke.

[Hockeyguy15]

Come on now, those are housing terms. The listing agent is simply doing a write of up of the house.

Honestly I don't see the big deal, someone will buy it and renovate it. Yes a tragedy happened and that is horrible, but life goes on.