[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I read tone as well as the words themselves a bit differently. He was defensive, almost annoyed when rebuild was brought up.

Perhaps they are open to it at some point, but his initial slip of 'not even allowed to say the word rebuild', combined with his combative tone, speaks that we shouldn't hold our breath.

That was also the first I've seen of John Bean in a presser. He didn't leave a good impression...to say the least.

I think the bolded is why you can't read too much into his tone.

This is not what he's good at, and he was everything to combative to awkwardly jokey/trying to drum up excitement.

I wouldn't fault him too hard on anything or trying to peel back too many layers of the onion here. His inexperience with the format showed a lot.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

It's not too late to cash in on this outstanding 2023 draft class too.

You can only hope they make the hire soon and this "progressive" new guy makes a splash for a few picks early in the draft.

This is the way.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think the bolded is why you can't read too much into his tone.

This is not what he's good at, and he was everything to combative to awkwardly jokey/trying to drum up excitement.

I wouldn't fault him too hard on anything or trying to peel back too many layers of the onion here. His inexperience with the format showed a lot.

People are out for blood today. Can't lie, I love it. Give me sports hysteria or give me death!

[howard_the_duck]

I'm flabbergasted by that press conference. Out of words, really.

That was Oilers level ineptitude on display, particularly from Bean.

[cam_wmh]

After 20 years of being spoiled by KK, the way Jake Bean speaks, is poetic to the tumultuous future of this club. King, would look the media head on, and fire back with direction and passion. Bean, stumbles under scrutiny.

He's uncertain, ambiguous, and ultimately inspires a lack of confidence.

[ComixZone]

Steinberg citing term as one of the problems too.

This organization chose Darryl and not giving Treliving a longer than two year contract offer by the sounds of it.

[Hockey_Ninja]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1648030995096956931

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think the bolded is why you can't read too much into his tone.

This is not what he's good at, and he was everything to combative to awkwardly jokey/trying to drum up excitement.

I wouldn't fault him too hard on anything or trying to peel back too many layers of the onion here. His inexperience with the format showed a lot.

Hope so. Came across extremely arrogant and condescending.

The comment about how Maloney (or GM) needs to do his job better so they aren't 7 pts out with 4 games left...bad look.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Steinberg citing term as one of the problems too.

This organization chose Darryl and not giving Treliving a longer than two year contract offer by the sounds of it.

Yeah that’s a spit in the face if true

[442scotty]

Sutters unfinished business? Completely destroy the team that fired him previously and have them leave the city

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

You said no GM would have paid M Tkachuk the money he wanted for 8 years. I just gave an example of another GM doing exactly that, twice. It was just a fluke one of those people was M Tkachuk's brother.

A big part of being good at negotiating is protecting your own interests and not putting yourself in a position to be left at the altar. Treliving mismanaged both of these players contracts and got burned.

His tenure as Flames GM is pretty darned mediocre. Not sure why people here think he is some amazing GM the likes of which can't be replaced.

Lamourello has won three Stanley cups as a GM, hard to compare him to Treliving. But he did also screw up with Tavares.

Lou started with NYI after JT's last TDL, so I don't think you can call it a screw up

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Steinberg citing term as one of the problems too.

This organization chose Darryl and not giving Treliving a longer than two year contract offer by the sounds of it.

Steinberg and Elliott both said this wasn't a situation where the organization picked Sutter over Tre. Of course you leave that portion out.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by automaton 3

I'm with you. Some of the coaching decisions last year were baffling. Not shortening the bench and continuing to roll out the 4th line in every game situation? Not building a PP that takes advantage of one of the best passers in the game? Leaving youth in the pressbox, OT lineups, roster decisions, goaltending decisions, the list goes on.
Bizarre year.

Huberdeau showed in Florida that he excels playing with guys who are hungry and drive the net. Having him play with some of the better scoring prospects might have been a huge success, or at the very least not have led to the biggest year over year decrease in points by a player in league history.

Also, not that it mattered in the end, but Ritchie in the shootout? Why, just why?

[Duffalufagus]

I'm not sure that tre could continue here after giving out what will amount to the worst contract in the league (Huberdeau) for years to come. He panicked in the offseason, paid a guy superstar money with weak underlying analytics coming out of a perfect situation in Florida for that guy to inflate his worth, without even seeing him play a single game here. All to put a bandaid on a PR nightmare.

This, unfortunately, is gross incompetence and the relationship could not continue going forward. I believe both parties likely wanted out.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Treliving really does seem like a great human being, and I thought he did well keeping the Flames a respectably run organization, which is what Burke was brought in to change. I wish him well, and I hope he attains more success somewhere else, as long as it does not come at the cost of the Flames, or if he ends up working for a rival.


I am ok with this. The Flames were stuck in limbo for a long time. They had a couple of seasons in those 9 years that they appeared to be contenders, but then the playoffs came and they ended up as a speed bump. Sure, I understand the sentiment that the next guy might do a worse job, but I don't really care at this point. Why?


Flames have been in limbo. Treliving hasn't shown himself to be this amazing GM - if he was, the record would support that. He isn't terrible either - again, the record supports this. I felt that there was the possibility that Calgary could be contenders a couple of seasons during those 9 years. They showed that they never truly were. This is a team that hasn't been able to build on its success - one good season, one poor one. One playoff year, one year on the outside looking in. They have essentially been a bubble team.



Blame the players. Blame the coaching. Blame what you like. At the end of the day, the GM is responsible for the players, and responsible for the coaching staff. I won't even say that I disagreed with a lot of Treliving's moves. There were some that I didn't like, but there were definitely others that I loved at the time, but time proved that that to be incorrect. He also made some very good moves over his tenure here. There was a lot of good, but enough bad to keep this team from moving forward.


So, the new guy (whether it continues to be Maloney, or whether it is someone else) might be an improvement, and this makes me happy. However, the new guy might be worse too. This doesn't scare me, however. Maybe the new guy is bad enough to end up forcing the Flames to rebuild. There are worse things... and continuing to be a bubble team is worse. Either get better, or get worse. That's why I am probably much more optimistic about the future today then I was yesterday.


Not a shot at Treliving. I think he is a good person, a solid GM, and a great ambassador for the franchise and the city. Everything about him is quality. I just don't think that the Flames would have made significant changes with him at the helm. Now it is time for a different look and a different opinion, and hopefully a different plan and process. I don't relish today, but I also don't think this is a particularly sombre day either.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by blankall

Huberdeau showed in Florida that he excels playing with guys who are hungry and drive the net. Having him play with some of the better scoring prospects might have been a huge success, or at the very least not have led to the biggest year over year decrease in points by a player in league history.

Also, not that it mattered in the end, but Ritchie in the shootout? Why, just why?

Agreed there, putting up 115 points with Bennett and Duclair tells me that Huberdeau and one of our younger guys (Coronato, Duehr) and possibly a young, faster center could have real chemistry.

[Cycling76er]

Oof. 8 minutes into this presser and I do not feel good.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Agreed there, putting up 115 points with Bennett and Duclair tells me that Huberdeau and one of our younger guys (Coronato, Duehr) and possibly a young, faster center could have real chemistry.

Nah, he needs to be with Lucic and Ritchie for the next 4 years!

Make it so, GM Sutter!!!

[Naitix]

Treliving's contract is up on June 30th, is it expected that he will be working on the draft etc while mentoring whoever the new GM will be?

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Lou started with NYI after JT's last TDL, so I don't think you can call it a screw up

Oops, good point.