Treliving needs to start feeling the heat

[DiracSpike]

One thing about Treliving is he's not afraid to fix mistakes, and that's one of the strongest traits a GM can have. This is probably one of the toughest high profile jobs you can have, and between all the variables of trades, contracts, coaching, year over year variability in player production, scouting, drafting, its impossible to hit 1.000. I'd argue it's borderline impossible to even bat .750. What Treliving has shown consistently is an ability to move on and learn from situations. Changing the goalie every year. Buying out bouma. Not getting caught up with Colborne's production.

I would bet money that he'll recoup some picks before the draft, and obviously Gulutzan is going to be fired if the Flames miss.

[wired]

The coaching issue needs to be dealt with asap.....get Gelina (sp) to replace for remainder of season.

[Pointman]

Given our lack of scoring depth, Granlund for Shinkaruk trade is looking awful. While Granlund is by no means a saviour, he is a legit NHL player, who suddenly has career highest 19 goals season (for reference, Sam Bennett has 18).

Prior to the trade:

Granlund 86 NHL games, 14 goals
Shinkaruk 1 NHL game, 0 goals

They were traded straight up, and it went like this;

After the trade:

Granlund 135 NHL games, 29 goals
Shinkaruk 14 NHL games, 2 goals


That was not a franchise-defining move, but it does show a horrible player evaluation. Treliving had just traded NHLer for AHLer.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Given our lack of scoring depth, Granlund for Shinkaruk trade is looking awful. While Granlund is by no means a saviour, he is a legit NHL player, who suddenly has career highest 19 goals season (for reference, Sam Bennett has 18).

Prior to the trade:

Granlund 86 NHL games, 14 goals
Shinkaruk 1 NHL game, 0 goals

They were traded straight up, and it went like this;

After the trade:

Granlund 135 NHL games, 29 goals
Shinkaruk 14 NHL games, 2 goals


That was not a franchise-defining move, but it does show a horrible player evaluation. Treliving had just traded NHLer for AHLer.

He's got 8 goals this season. I'm not so sure he's a legit full time NHL player as to me he would have been in and out of the Flames lineup as a healthy scratch. You can argue that Baertschi may have been somewhat useful for this team but Andersson isn't a bad return.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Given our lack of scoring depth, Granlund for Shinkaruk trade is looking awful. While Granlund is by no means a saviour, he is a legit NHL player, who suddenly has career highest 19 goals season (for reference, Sam Bennett has 18).

Prior to the trade:

Granlund 86 NHL games, 14 goals
Shinkaruk 1 NHL game, 0 goals

They were traded straight up, and it went like this;

After the trade:

Granlund 135 NHL games, 29 goals
Shinkaruk 14 NHL games, 2 goals


That was not a franchise-defining move, but it does show a horrible player evaluation. Treliving had just traded NHLer for AHLer.

Treliving supporters will tell you that Granlund was never going to crack our roster and was worth the risk.

Regardless of how you feel about this deal, it would be nice to have a couple of trades like this going the other direction.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Treliving supporters will tell you that Granlund was never going to crack our roster and was worth the risk.

Regardless of how you feel about this deal, it would be nice to have a couple of trades like this going the other direction.

Like Sieloff for Chiasson? Because in terms of scale that’s the type of deal we are talking about

[Enoch Root]

If the trade doesn't happen, Shinkaruk would have been getting icetime with the Nucks and probably puts up very similar numbers.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If the trade doesn't happen, Shinkaruk would have been getting icetime with the Nucks and probably puts up very similar numbers.

Nope. Granlund made that Flames NHL team. Shinkaruk couldn't make Canucks team. Granlund then made Canucks team - the one that Shinkaruk failed to make -
and had a 19-goals season. Shinkaruk has not been able to break into the worst bottom-six in the league.

[TheScorpion]

I'm no betting man, but if I was, I'd guess that this deal will happen in the summer.

Stone
Ferland
Fox/Valimaki

for

Slight upgrade at LHD
Slight upgrade at RW

And then the Flames sign a middle-six guy in FA.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Nope. Granlund made that Flames NHL team. Shinkaruk couldn't make Canucks team. Granlund then made Canucks team - the one that Shinkaruk failed to make -
and had a 19-goals season. Shinkaruk has not been able to break into the worst bottom-six in the league.

It doesn't look like either guy is an NHLer on a good team. Shinkaruk had a higher ceiling at the time IMO. It was a calculated risk, can't win em all.

No huge loss

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He's got 8 goals this season. I'm not so sure he's a legit full time NHL player as to me he would have been in and out of the Flames lineup as a healthy scratch. You can argue that Baertschi may have been somewhat useful for this team but Andersson isn't a bad return.

He's got 8 goals in 53 games, as he's been injured since February. Granlind's 224 NHL games to Shinkaruk's 15 makes it clear who is NHL player and who is not.

Regarding the scale of the trade comments, those are fair and that surely was a minor trade, but it does indicate Flames' player evaluation skills, or lack of thereof.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Pointman

He's got 8 goals in 53 games, as he's been injured since February. Granlind's 224 NHL games to Shinkaruk's 15 makes it clear who is NHL player and who is not.

Regarding the scale of the trade comments, those are fair and that surely was a minor trade, but it does indicate Flames' player evaluation skills, or lack of thereof.

Granlund was getting top 6 minutes with powerplay time and has 8 goals. He wouldn't be getting that in Calgary. He's a fringe NHL'er on any team that isn't a bottom feeder.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Like Sieloff for Chiasson? Because in terms of scale that’s the type of deal we are talking about

Similar deal. Too bad it’s not helping us much today.

[TheScorpion]

The Flames can easily sign Chiasson this summer. Might not be a bad idea, either.

[Mr.Coffee]

It’s been said a million times already but worth repeating.

You have a perceived underperforming team. You have a coach that consistently makes bizarre unconventional decisions.

There’s no fixing this team until coaching is dealt with.

[Strange Brew]

Flames walked away from Chiasson when they still held his rights. He has 7 goals this year.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Pointman

He's got 8 goals in 53 games, as he's been injured since February. Granlind's 224 NHL games to Shinkaruk's 15 makes it clear who is NHL player and who is not.

Regarding the scale of the trade comments, those are fair and that surely was a minor trade, but it does indicate Flames' player evaluation skills, or lack of thereof.

Joe Colborne scored 19 goals a few years back. I don't see many people questioning why Treliving walked away from him. Granlund isn't an energy player, isn't physical, isn't a play maker, isn't a great skater. He's really doesn't tick many boxes outside of having a good shot. That's it and it's pretty well all he offers. Fringe players like Granlund, Colborne, Jooris, etc are not worth arguing about and certainly not a reason to put heat on a GM. Brouwer contract? Sure. The price paid for Hamonic? Sure. The hiring of Gulutzan? Sure. Granlund trade? Hill of beans.

[Strange Brew]

Pointman made it very clear in his first post that the Granlund trade was no big deal, just an example of missing on talent evaluation.

Maybe I over rate GRanlund but I think he will prove to be a nice NHLer who plays in all situations. Even if you don’t believe that not sure how you can disagree with pointman’s point.

I don’t see anyone saying it’s a big miss by BT.

[Itse]

I wouldn't mind having Granlund as a depth option right now. Solid defensively and can put up some points. That said, still not too bothered about that trade.

[smiggy77]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Treliving supporters will tell you that Granlund was never going to crack our roster and was worth the risk.

Regardless of how you feel about this deal, it would be nice to have a couple of trades like this going the other direction.

Tre has a ton of W's in the trade column. Mike Smith trade worked out, Lazar for Jokipakka and others trade seems to be a win, Chiasson trade was a win, Hudler trade was a win, Max Reinhart trade a win, Glencross trade was a win

Don't think a lot of GM's has his skills of trading.