The S.E. gets the short end ...again

[fundmark19]

Since they put in the new park and ride lots the bus has been getting busier. I sometimes now have to share a seat with someone. Compared to only having 10 people on the entire bus. I have only been on the bus twice in 1 full year of riding it that someone has stood because of no available seats.

[Yanda]

Originally Posted by Rathji

How is that a 'driving city'? Is it just because you don't want to take the bus?

I base that calgary is a driving city soley on the layout. Calgary is a Suburban Sprawl. This city was built "out" instead of "up" and has one of the lowest Population per Area2 Ratio when compared with other cities in the world.

Also I have Relied on public transportation in the past to get downtown when my jobsite has been downtown.

[HalifaxDrunk]

Originally Posted by Tyler

It's not close to being full. Don't you live in Halifax? This is a local issue, son!

The term is "close to" not "closed to" as you used in the post I quoted. Don't you live in Canada? This is an English issue, son!

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by Tyler

Dude - it's barely even close to being filled up Mon-Fri.

The BRT is a collosal failure in McKenzie Towne.

It was crazy busy this morning and been getting busier every week since it started.

[fundmark19]

Tyler obviously has no idea what he is talking about and probably doesn't even ride the bus or live in the SE. Just look at the parking lots everyday. Each week more and more cars decide to park there and take the commute

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Yanda

I base that calgary is a driving city soley on the layout. Calgary is a Suburban Sprawl. This city was built "out" instead of "up" and has one of the lowest Population per Area2 Ratio when compared with other cities in the world.

Also I have Relied on public transportation in the past to get downtown when my jobsite has been downtown.

That's actually a really misleading stat. There arent many municipalities that are 800km2, including one of the largest(if not the largest) urban parks in North America. As far as metro areas go, Calgary is freaking compact compared to many.

Calgary is probably one of the only cities in North America with no connecting suburb cities, which is very beneficial for planning. Sure, Vancouver and Toronto have way higher pop per area ratios, but what of Surrey, Oakville, etc. I'm sure you'd find if Bowness, Midnapore, Forest Lawn, etc. stayed as separate cities, the core city of Calgary left would have very competitive density.

I think the city needs to continue on its balanced LRT/road system approach, but it needs to get real on parking downtown. There simply needs to be more access, both for cars and for those using the LRT to get there.

The last thing I would do is make it easy for people to live in Cochrane/Airdrie/Strathmore/Okotoks with commuter rail, thats a sure way to encourage their growth and lose needed tax revenue needed to sustain the city (unless the plan is to annex everything in Foothills and Rockview MD, with some Wheatland and Bighorn MD and call it "Calgary Region"). SWRR, SELRT, NCLRT and downtown subway should happen before they consider any fluff like commuter rail or high speed rail to Edmonton.

[yads]

Most of the GTA is either slightly lower than Calgary or higher. Brampton and Mississauga are quite a bit higher, even Richmond Hill is higher density and Markham is on par.

The GTA density is listed as 888 people per km2 and the GTA is a huge place, with a lot of villages/towns strewn on the very outskirts, just like Calgary with Airdrie, Okotoks, Chestermere. The inner core of Mississauga -> Brampton -> Markham + Toronto proper is still denser than Calgary

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

The last thing I would do is make it easy for people to live in Cochrane/Airdrie/Strathmore/Okotoks with commuter rail, thats a sure way to encourage their growth and lose needed tax revenue needed to sustain the city (unless the plan is to annex everything in Foothills and Rockview MD, with some Wheatland and Bighorn MD and call it "Calgary Region"). SWRR, SELRT, NCLRT and downtown subway should happen before they consider any fluff like commuter rail or high speed rail to Edmonton.

Amen.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

The last thing I would do is make it easy for people to live in Cochrane/Airdrie/Strathmore/Okotoks with commuter rail, thats a sure way to encourage their growth and lose needed tax revenue needed to sustain the city

Stick a toll booth at the city limits!

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

Just because people take the train downtown to work doesn't mean they don't drive their cars everywhere else.

Most of th driving everywhere else isn't during a time frame when congestion is an issue. Unless the plan is to pump all the money destined for the C-train into making sure traffic around the Saddledome is good before and after games...

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Tyler

Dude - it's barely even close to being filled up Mon-Fri.

The BRT is a collosal failure in McKenzie Towne.

The 302 runs every 10 mins? during rush hour. In the morning and evening rush hours is pretty much full when it leaves/enters downtown.

How is that a failure?

Just because the parking lot, which was built for an eventual C-train station, isn't full?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by flameswin

What the hell happene in 2001?

September 11th, after those buses crashed into the World Trade Towers people were afraid to ride transit.

[killer_carlson]

living here in Edmonton, we're still dealing with a short sighted civic administration (Jan Reimer) who decided to forego any LRT expansion in favour of "better buses". It's been 20 years and now that I've moved up here no one can explain to me how "better buses" was a good idea.

Build the line. If you don't, it's easy to keep passing over the issue, then the areas get developed and it costs way more and affects more homes and businesses when you finally do decide, albeit 20 years later.

If Nenshi campaigned on it and is now backtracking, that says a lot about the guy's "political ethics".

[Nuje]

Originally Posted by flameswin

That's just the connector from anderson to deerfoot.

Yes, but that bottleneck and the one at Glenmore probably are a huge factor in how slowly deerfoot moves south of them.

[Ironhorse]

Originally Posted by Nuje

Yes, but that bottleneck and the one at Glenmore probably are a huge factor in how slowly deerfoot moves south of them.

Not to mention the huge mess between Anderson and Southland (both North and Southbound). I think that singlehandedly takes the cake.

[RW99]

Not sure if this has been posted before, but it should answer some questions I've seen in this thread about ridership amounts and costs: http://www.calgarytransit.com/pdf/Ca...tilization.pdf

[algernon]

Originally Posted by Rathji

I have seen numbers posted on CP that show that Calgary has one of the highest transit use numbers in North America.

How is that a 'driving city'? Is it just because you don't want to take the bus?

Today, Calgary’s LRT has the highest ridership both in total and on a per capita basis) of
any North American system.

Of course that's LRT ridership, not subways, etc. Still, a nice stat, as we have better ridership than much larger cities.

http://www.calgarytransit.com/pdf/Ca...tilization.pdf

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by algernon

Of course that's LRT ridership, not subways, etc. Still, a nice stat, as we have better ridership than much larger cities.

http://www.calgarytransit.com/pdf/Ca...tilization.pdf

I knew I had seen that somewhere

[SebC]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

If Nenshi campaigned on it and is now backtracking, that says a lot about the guy's "political ethics".

It's an administration report. Council hasn't even met yet. I don't see how Nenshi is responsible for this.

[killer_carlson]

If he campaigned on this point, and within 1 month of being elected backs away, that's brutal