I guess being here by accident, just to live for 70-80 years, in a crime ridden and poluted world sounds pretty appealing...
So we dont resort to posting links to various Christian bashing sites or comics, why dont you expand on what you mean by this post.
Please be as thorough as possible. There is simply no way anyone can respond to this post without information backing up your statements.
Honestly, I don't blame him. Most of you have demonstrated the inability to be civil without resorting to bashing something you don't agree with.
I had a slight problem with his original post too. I think he came across a bit in an arrogant way, and he didn't really talk about 'faith' and the importance that faith has for his belief.
But I'm not intentionally being obtuse either, which some of you are.
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I guess being here by accident, just to live for 70-80 years, in a crime ridden and poluted world sounds pretty appealing...
I don't think the nature of reality much cares for what we find appealing. This is a logical fallacy called appeal to consequences. Fallacy meaning the logic is flawed and the argument invalid.
And I wasn't an accident, my parents were planning on having a kid
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I guess being here by accident, just to live for 70-80 years, in a crime ridden and poluted world sounds pretty appealing...
Wow, so cynical for such a 'complete' person
The fact our existence is so special, is exactly why I and you should cherish this life, this ONE life and do with it the best we can, especially by being good caretakers of our time on earth for future generations.
Santa was appealing too, but you know how that went.
I'm not sure what Norm meant and some of his posts do seem a bit arrogant to me, but as a Christian this is my belief. Not sure if this is what he meant.
I think it's impossible that this wonderful body of mine (granted I could lose a few pounds) could exist in such a complex, delicately balanced world that seems perfectly created for us. That all of this could come essentially from nothing seems to me to be a greater leap of faith than the possibility that there could be a creator who is responsible for all of this. Look around you (or in the mirror) at the enormous complexity of the world, all of the creatures that occupy it and the enormous vastness of space around this world and maybe you'll see my point. How else could this have come about?
I do think that God and science can exist in harmony. I believe in evolution as God's tool for creation.
No other possibility makes more sense to me than that.
I do expect to be blasted for this. Be gentle.
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I guess being here by accident, just to live for 70-80 years, in a crime ridden and poluted world sounds pretty appealing...
I guess we should ignore all the positives that exist on the planet in favor of the crime and pollution?
Science has made AMAZING discoveries, your health care and longevity is significantly improved from the days the bible was written.
Children dont have to worry about being beaten for their ideas, women can vote and there is now a black President.
Slavery in the western world is pretty much non existent and all of us have the right to decide who we want to govern.
The best thing is atheists have the right to speak..speak out loud as a matter of fact...without fear of death or banishment.
I'm not sure what Norm meant and some of his posts do seem a bit arrogant to me, but as a Christian this is my belief. Not sure if this is what he meant.
I think it's impossible that this wonderful body of mine (granted I could lose a few pounds) could exist in such a complex, delicately balanced world that seems perfectly created for us. That all of this could come essentially from nothing seems to me to be a greater leap of faith than the possibility that there could be a creator who is responsible for all of this. Look around you (or in the mirror) at the enormous complexity of the world, all of the creatures that occupy it and the enormous vastness of space around this world and maybe you'll see my point. How else could this have come about?
I do think that God and science can exist in harmony. I believe in evolution as God's tool for creation.
No other possibility makes more sense to me than that.
I think it's impossible that this wonderful body of mine (granted I could lose a few pounds) could exist in such a complex, delicately balanced world that seems perfectly created for us.
Because it seems so, doesn't mean it is so. I'm not sure how much you've learned in biology, and especially astro physics since you have trouble with the idea of something from nothing. Lawrence Krauss did a nice talk about exactly this, a universe from nothing:
In fact I think much of the top physicists have an easier time with this idea than you have against it. As I explained to my teenage niece about infinity, I told her to stop thinking of the universe has having a beginning and an end by our earthly definition, its very difficult to comprehend a never ending existence because of how evolution has hardwired us to understand this in our own environment.
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That all of this could come essentially from nothing seems to me to be a greater leap of faith than the possibility that there could be a creator who is responsible for all of this. Look around you (or in the mirror) at the enormous complexity of the world, all of the creatures that occupy it and the enormous vastness of space around this world and maybe you'll see my point. How else could this have come about?
There is lots of evidence for evolution, abiogenesis (start of life on earth) has a number of strong theories gaining ground on how life began. As I said something from nothing in physics is normal thinking.
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I do think that God and science can exist in harmony. I believe in evolution as God's tool for creation.
No other possibility makes more sense to me than that.
I do expect to be blasted for this. Be gentle.
Its interesting you say you believe in evolution yet you can't understand how we get all this complexity? Thats evolution
But as to designed and how wonderful things are in nature, the human body is a mistake filled body if it was designed, not to mention all kinds of other examples.
But Neil deGrasse Tyson does this with humour so let him speak for me:
and welcome to the debate, we might sound mean at times but most of us love to debate this and try also not to be jerks about it
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I'm not sure what Norm meant and some of his posts do seem a bit arrogant to me, but as a Christian this is my belief. Not sure if this is what he meant.
I think it's impossible that this wonderful body of mine (granted I could lose a few pounds) could exist in such a complex, delicately balanced world that seems perfectly created for us. That all of this could come essentially from nothing seems to me to be a greater leap of faith than the possibility that there could be a creator who is responsible for all of this. Look around you (or in the mirror) at the enormous complexity of the world, all of the creatures that occupy it and the enormous vastness of space around this world and maybe you'll see my point. How else could this have come about?
I do think that God and science can exist in harmony. I believe in evolution as God's tool for creation.
No other possibility makes more sense to me than that.
I do expect to be blasted for this. Be gentle.
That is an entirely reasonable and respectable post. Why would you feel you were going to be blasted for that? You didn't claim to have all the answers to the exclusion of other ideas.
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The best thing is atheists have the right to speak..speak out loud as a matter of fact...without fear of death or banishment.
After looking at some of the posts on this board I can say that it's too bad Christians are not afforded the same luxery. Not that the Christians on this board are being killed or banished but certainly ridiculed. It's a shame how a discussion about religion can be turned into Christian bashing.
And I'm sure I'll be bashed for even posting this.
After looking at some of the posts on this board I can say that it's too bad Christians are not afforded the same luxery. Not that the Christians on this board are being killed or banished but certainly ridiculed. It's a shame how a discussion about religion can be turned into Christian bashing.
And I'm sure I'll be bashed for even posting this.
Its because athiests aren't bound by morals and ethics that aren't intrinsic to humanity. I don't kill, rape, steal, etc, but I can have as many sex partners as I want and I don't feel the slightest bit guilty about it. Nor not going to a church on Sundays; it doesn't bother me. I eat meat on "Good Friday" and don't care. I don't feel the white bearded guy in the sky is sending me to eternal damnation for not donating money to his cause. I would also use a Bible/Koran/whatever page to roll a smoke and not care, although that is bordering on hyperbole. Lol.
