[News] Francis: One-year faceplant

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

At what point do we start to talk about the fact Conroy still doesn’t have a new deal?

It is weird. I’ve heard it discussed, but have yet to hear an explanation.

It is a little tricky judging a GM as a fan. Ultimately it’s about results but we see the moves they do make. We don’t know about their intentions and the moves they wanted to make.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It is weird. I’ve heard it discussed, but have yet to hear an explanation.

It is a little tricky judging a GM as a fan. Ultimately it’s about results but we see the moves they do make. We don’t know about their intentions and the moves they wanted to make.

Agreed and would add based on where the team is right know they need a gm taking the long view
Not that he’s exhibited any signs of short term thinking but a new deal would ensure the long view is being taken
Just odd it hasn’t happened yet

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Andersson is doing ok. I think he will have a fairly good market for his services.


I agree on Frost, however. I think that most players (there are always exceptions) are more or less what they are by game 300, irrespective of age (though once can argue defencemen go to 400-500 games). I feel comfortable in saying that Frost is simply a placeholder on this team. I don't see him as part of the future, so I agree with you - if the Flames could get value for him, I would be happy to trade him.


I do think he helps to shoulder the load somewhat, so I woudln't give him away either, but yeah, if someone offered a 1st, I would take it. In this market where a lot of teams are looking for help in the middle, maybe he would get it. I think it is more likely he gets moved next season, however.

I'm thinking only one of Kadri or Frost are traded this year, unless a centre is coming back. Dach, for example. I'm hoping a young centre would be coming back but I don't they could get a young roster C from a team in the hunt and wanting to upgrade down the middle.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Well i had a very interesting exchange today. Was told very clearly that this is all smoke and mirrors on the PR front. Flames intend to bottom out this year and next in preparation for their building. KEY point that was raised to me was that they added no one of any significance this past summer. A team that wanted to compete for playoffs would have went out and tried to buy goals especially with the cap space available. They are more than comfortable executing down this path. They just won't admit it in public. They're trying to slowroll financial impact as much as possible.

The plan was to trade Kadri NEXT year...however things might change as we enter that Jan-Mar window. Most likely window for a trade might be just prior to the olympic break.

I don't know much about marketing but I figure that when a team is in last place, it has to be difficult to sell people on the "now" of team

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Well i had a very interesting exchange today. Was told very clearly that this is all smoke and mirrors on the PR front. Flames intend to bottom out this year and next in preparation for their building. KEY point that was raised to me was that they added no one of any significance this past summer. A team that wanted to compete for playoffs would have went out and tried to buy goals especially with the cap space available. They are more than comfortable executing down this path. They just won't admit it in public. They're trying to slowroll financial impact as much as possible.

The plan was to trade Kadri NEXT year...however things might change as we enter that Jan-Mar window. Most likely window for a trade might be just prior to the olympic break.

The best time to trade Kadri was last trade deadline. The 2nd best time is now.

You have to trade him by the deadline, and hopefully we get a great deal before that.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Agreed and would add based on where the team is right know they need a gm taking the long view
Not that he’s exhibited any signs of short term thinking but a new deal would ensure the long view is being taken
Just odd it hasn’t happened yet

I brought up Shanahan in the thread about other teams in the league. Shanahan apparently wants to run a team again and I linked the story from 2013 where the Flames offered him the President job which he turned down and ultimately went to Burke.

Not saying they want to revisit that but it is strange they have yet to announce an extension for Conroy. It has to be almost certain he is sticking around.

[NewFan]

In my opinion, it really depends who we can draft next year. The team really needs true 1st line Centre and top LHD for sure. We may have a couple extra 1st next year.
So if are lucky we can draft both players next year. Then we don't need draft high after that. Just develop own players and continue do what we do now.
We can find 2nd line centre or other couple skilled players by trade when we start competing.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

The best time to trade Kadri was last trade deadline. The 2nd best time is now.

You have to trade him by the deadline, and hopefully we get a great deal before that.

Weren't you saying he was "washed" often between last year's deadline and now?

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

At what point do we start to talk about the fact Conroy still doesn’t have a new deal?

I remember the last time Treliving re-upped it wasn't until late in the year. The Flames have this thing where they don't re-sign management until some sort of review is done close to end of the year. I could be mis-remembering though.

[Roko]

Originally Posted by NewFan

In my opinion, it really depends who we can draft next year. The team really needs true 1st line Centre and top LHD for sure. We may have a couple extra 1st next year.
So if are lucky we can draft both players next year. Then we don't need draft high after that. Just develop own players and continue do what we do now.
We can find 2nd line centre or other couple skilled players by trade when we start competing.

BPA is always the play. You can always trade from a surplus of talent to get what you need. If it’s all centres we draft, great, higher chance of a 1C etc.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Well, if Conroy doesn't get extended, then I guess bottoming-out was never the plan. I can't imagine that Conroy doesn't get re-signed, however. It is nice to have some stability here. One of the perks of hiring Conroy in the first place was his familiarity with the organization from top to bottom, spending practically a decade getting groomed for this role. I can't imagine the Flames decide to move away from him now.

[Vinny01]

I thought one of the CP insiders alluded to Iginla getting an expanded role within the org at the end of this season which would almost certainly confirm Conroy is firm in his role.


Based on all the moves Conroy has made he is executing a long term vision that would have been approved by ownership.

[Bingo]

This sure feels like another prep the market for moving some assets article.

[dissentowner]

Conroy isn't going anywhere.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Conroy promoted, Maloney retires, Jarome Iginla new GM! Conroy and Maloney were the face of the tough years, Iginla comes in with a clean sheet.

It is odd that we haven't heard a lick about Conroy's deal.

Seems like Treliving only signed his own deals in the summer. If that is true, then maybe it is a Calgary thing to let the GM get into summer before re-signing him. If that isn't the case then, oh well, I tried.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I thought one of the CP insiders alluded to Iginla getting an expanded role within the org at the end of this season which would almost certainly confirm Conroy is firm in his role.


Based on all the moves Conroy has made he is executing a long term vision that would have been approved by ownership.

It wouldn't be good PR to let Iginla's best friend move on just around the time Iginla is set to get an expanded role in the organization. That may leave Iginla with 2nd thoughts and backing away. Not a good look for the organization.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Buff

It wouldn't be good PR to let Iginla's best friend move on just around the time Iginla is set to get an expanded role in the organization. That may leave Iginla with 2nd thoughts and backing away. Not a good look for the organization.

I think there is almost zero risk Conroy moves on. Who knows about Maloney, Nonis, or Pascal? I see Conroy firm in his spot and executing a plan that he put forth in 2023/24 when they moved on from all the UFA’s. Last year was not part of the plan but everything appears back on track with the poor start this year.

[Strange Brew]

I don't hear much about Iginla anymore. Is he really getting an expanded role?

[DJones]

Firing Conroy to give Iginla the GM job would be insane. He has no experience.

Plus I'm sure Owners love Conroy. As others said a promotion is more likely than letting him walk.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think there is almost zero risk Conroy moves on. Who knows about Maloney, Nonis, or Pascal? I see Conroy firm in his spot and executing a plan that he put forth in 2023/24 when they moved on from all the UFA’s. Last year was not part of the plan but everything appears back on track with the poor start this year.

Unless he's got his eye on a better situation I guess. But I don't know if any GMs are on the hot seat at the moment.