12-01-2021, 01:22 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Lets add iggy too while were at it.
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12-01-2021, 01:24 PM
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#62
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov
Did you not watch the games? He has been hot garbage since his Norris year. Can't score, can't hit, can't clear the front of the net.
Every single Flames D man this year has played better than Gio did his final 2 years here.
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Haha...wow.
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12-01-2021, 01:26 PM
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#63
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
Like... scoring?
Another D pair that can complete a stretch pass or make skilled plays in the offensive zone should mean more quality 5 man offense when defensive forwards like Backlund, Coleman, pitlick, etc are out there. They are playing 3v5 out there whenever Zadorov and Gudbranson are in the offensive zone, and the breakout attempts off Zadorov's stick consistently slow down the pace of the game.
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The Flames have been at or near the top of the league in chances from transition. Your hate for large defensemen isn't holding any water here.
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12-01-2021, 01:32 PM
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#64
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
Because he can't play the game at the speed the team needs any more. The wheels have come off, and he doesn't seem like a good fit for this team. Time catches up to everyone, and it caught up with Gio almost two seasons ago. Even in a reduced capacity, I don't see him improving this team.
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He literally was playing with this team and coach last season. The same coach that came in and anointed him #1 both verbally and on the ice. Nobody in Flames management wanted him gone. Don Maloney just said as much the other day.
Gio actually suits Darryl’s system more so than he ever did Geoff system. Ward’s system was way too taxing on the defense and Gio’s mobility. Under Sutter though, his game flourished and it was part of the the turn around last season.
People here think the turnaround started this season. But I disagree, I think this team turned a corner late last season. They just ran out of time in a shortened season. Gio was a big part of that.
All I know is, if I’m Darryl. I’d be a little nervous about the likes of Valimaki, Kylington, Hanifin and Zadorov on my left side. Not to say they’re bad or anything, but they’re all pretty young and/or inexperienced and we all know how much Darryo Sutter cares about veteran leadership and experience.
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12-01-2021, 01:38 PM
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#65
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Franchise Player
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1) The Flames are currently 1st overall defensively - bringing a 38 year old Gio back to re-make him our #1 defenseman is flat out stupid. And bringing him back to be the #5 doesn't make sense due to the cost (point 2).
2) The cap doesn't work at all. So Seattle would have to retain 50%, or close to it. They aren't trading their captain, at 50% retained, unless they get PAID.
3) HE WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR FREE IN THE SUMMER.
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12-01-2021, 01:38 PM
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#66
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by BurningSteel
Lets add iggy too while were at it.
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Sutter: "There's unfinished business". Looks like he means business this year. Might as well do it with Gio and Iggy in - all hands on deck. Let's do it! Even if Iggy sits up there with management and injected into the last game, why not? Sign him for $1 on the contract with bonuses in the playoffs. Gio as a depth D-man - win-win situation IMO. Realistically, Iggy will not come out of retirement. With Gio, it's definitely doable and he doesn't need to be a first or second line pairing unless he earns it or proves that he still can be the quarterback.
Last edited by CSharp; 12-01-2021 at 01:45 PM.
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12-01-2021, 01:38 PM
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#67
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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If we bring back Gio can we also Bring Back Shantz?
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12-01-2021, 01:48 PM
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#69
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
Because he can't play the game at the speed the team needs any more. The wheels have come off, and he doesn't seem like a good fit for this team. Time catches up to everyone, and it caught up with Gio almost two seasons ago. Even in a reduced capacity, I don't see him improving this team.
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Cap hit.
Saving bullets.
Disrupting what they have.
All decent reasons.
Giordano's wheels have come off, not so much.
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12-01-2021, 01:51 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2018
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Yes to bringing him back, as a UFA if he wants to take a team friendly discount.
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12-01-2021, 01:59 PM
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#71
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Memento Mori
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Originally Posted by Locke
If we bring back Gio can we also Bring Back Shantz?
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12-01-2021, 01:59 PM
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#72
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
The Flames have been at or near the top of the league in chances from transition. Your hate for large defensemen isn't holding any water here.
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Is that when Zadorov is on the ice?
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12-01-2021, 02:03 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: where the lattes are
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Love Gio, and would be happy to bring him back in the summer, with a nice new contract. Maybe him and Valimaki are the 3rd pair next year. But giving up assets (likely a 1st) to acquire him for the playoffs, is not the way to go, IMO.
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Doesn't this depend on how the Flames are doing at the deadline, and Gaudreau's contract status? If the Flames are near the top of the league, Gaudreau hasn't been extended, and you think Gio is the best option to improve the team, I think you have to consider spending assets to get him while you still have a guaranteed Gaudreau.
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12-01-2021, 02:07 PM
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#74
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Originally Posted by Bingo
Cap hit.
Saving bullets.
Disrupting what they have.
All decent reasons.
Giordano's wheels have come off, not so much.
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Sure it is. Giordano really struggled the tail end of 2019 and then 2020 as the games got quicker and more intense. Last year he was a liability for much of the year because he was playing way too high in the lineup. This year has not been kind to the captain either. He's a few steps behind where he was when he last played the game at the level people love to reminisce over. Can he still play in the NHL? Sure. Can he still play on a team that could go deep into the post season and not hurt the team? That is open for debate, but I would not want him out there in anything but a bottom pair supporting role, and even that is not something I would be comfortable with.
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12-01-2021, 02:16 PM
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#75
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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
Sure it is. Giordano really struggled the tail end of 2019 and then 2020 as the games got quicker and more intense. Last year he was a liability for much of the year because he was playing way too high in the lineup. This year has not been kind to the captain either. He's a few steps behind where he was when he last played the game at the level people love to reminisce over. Can he still play in the NHL? Sure. Can he still play on a team that could go deep into the post season and not hurt the team? That is open for debate, but I would not want him out there in anything but a bottom pair supporting role, and even that is not something I would be comfortable with.
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I’m over the idea of bringing Gio back for anything more than a 3rd, but he’s clearly a better option for team with aspirations of a Deep playoff run than ZaNorris or Valimaki.
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12-01-2021, 02:18 PM
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#76
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Locke
If we bring back Gio can we also Bring Back Shantz?
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Former Flames prospect Radek Duda is still an active player. Maybe he has unfinished business and we can bring him back.
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12-01-2021, 02:20 PM
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#77
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Bingo
Are you honestly asking the guy that writes 82 game stories a year if he watches the games?
That has to be the lamest things someone can say if they have an opinion that flies in the face of pretty much any stat you can look up.
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Sure. how about this stat? ZERO Playoff series wins and constant complaints of his captained teams performing below expectations. Even by you. Or is it 100% on our crappy coaches and the Captain of our team gets 0 blame?
Name one dman this year on the Flames who hasn't played better than Gio did the past 2 years? Maybe Stone because he hasn't played much? but the other 7 guys have passed Giold by.
Which is not his fault. He is old and has sacrificed his body all those previous years for us and now he is just broken. The wheels have not only come off but the spares have flats in them.
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12-01-2021, 02:25 PM
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#78
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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I don't know if Gio has much gas left in the tank beyond this season. I personally would rather the organization move on as things have gone very well without him. Not saying that this seasons success has anything to do with him not being on the team but it can't be ignored that even in his good years he always struggled in the playoffs. Just not worth giving up assets at the deadline IMO unless the team has injury issues on the back end.
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12-01-2021, 02:26 PM
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#79
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: In the studio
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Giold and fresh amirite?!?!
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12-01-2021, 02:33 PM
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#80
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Former Flames prospect Radek Duda is still an active player. Maybe he has unfinished business and we can bring him back.
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Whats Daymond Langkow up to these days?
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