[News] Flames buyout Michael Stone's contract after clearing waivers

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Honestly I feel like they shouldn't have made this buyout and don't think they wanted to.

Just don't think the trade market is there for Brodie, Frolik, Hamonic and it's painted them in a corner

Trade market is there for Hamonic but his cap his so friendly it doesn't help them.

It's been a month or so since it was speculated Jersey was interested in Frolik for a late pick, but with all their activity I have to assume that deal is completely off the table.

However, I was told from a reliable source that the flames would be swimming in cap space, so who knows.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Big physical players with relatively limited skating ability. Bouma, Brouwer, Neal, Stone, you can add Hamonic to that list if we give him an extension instead of letting him go as we should, we're already seeing some red flags there.

So the lesson is.. go for fast next time.

Hopefully Lucic is the last slow hulk type brought in for a while.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

However, I was told from a reliable source that the flames would be swimming in cap space, so who knows.

What do you mean be this?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ST20

How can Tre be so good at signing RFAs but so bad at signing UFAs?

Pretty simple. When he has leverage he users it well to his favor but if the player has the leverage/even playing field he seems to struggle.

Stone would still be needed on this team if Anderson, Valimaki, and Kylington did not take big steps to becoming vital cogs on the back end.

[AC]

Originally Posted by heep223

What do you mean be this?

He's making a joke. A poster here basically kept claiming the Flames weren't under a cap crunch and could easily sign all our free agents.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by heep223

What do you mean be this?

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Let’s see your math you tool.

Flames have a projected 13.5 million according to cap friendly with Bennett and Tkachuk to sign. Subtract Brodie and/or Stone and/or Frolik and we’re swimming in cap space aren’t we? Let’s see your math

"swimming in cap space"

[Toonage]

Its kind of like laying in a Mr. Turtle. Its sort of swimming.

[Strange Brew]

Quite an off-season so far.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Quite an off-season so far.

Yeah, it's been a ride, to be sure. Pretty boring with some twists that make you feel a little uneasy at first.

[Nelson]

//https://twitter.com/DarrenWHaynes/status/1156974453055791105?s=20

Clearly my math was wrong. The Flames can sign Tkachuk and Mangiapane for 8.5 and make it under the cap. Uggh. That's clearly not happening. Perhaps they are going to have to trade Frolik or Brodie for not very much. That's going to suck.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Quite an off-season so far.

No way to sugarcoat that it's been a poor offseason for the organization but personally don't think it means a lot in regards to regular season results as this team will once again live and die on Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, and Giordano meeting or exceeding their high expectations. The rest of the roster just has to meet minimum expectations and they should make the playoffs. It's probably not as good of a roster as it should/could have been had the GM not made some bad UFA signings but it's still a good roster and the dismal feel of this offseason is only a temporary cloud.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Nelson

//https://twitter.com/DarrenWHaynes/status/1156974453055791105?s=20

Clearly my math was wrong. The Flames can sign Tkachuk and Mangiapane for 8.5 and make it under the cap. Uggh. That's clearly not happening. Perhaps they are going to have to trade Frolik or Brodie for not very much. That's going to suck.

The most ideal situation possible now if we can't get those guys under the remaining cap is that we're able to trade Brodie for forward that helps us at a cheaper cap hit than TJ.

Dealing Frolik for a 4th or 5th means you're just going into the next season gutting your offensive and defensive depth options. I'd prefer we not do that. Would rather keep Frolik if we don't have an equal or better replacement available. You need those versatile players that can move up and down the lineup when injuries arise, as is inevitable.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

This had to happen at minimum, but more is still needed. I wouldn't be shocked to see a Frolik trade for picks while retaining 50% of his salary. That would give them the cap room necessary to re-sign both Tkachuk and Mangiapane (I hope). It's tight, but it can be done.

Overall, too many buyouts with this G.M. His major failing is UFA signings. He did something right this year by not signing any, but he didn't have the opportunity to either with the cap crunch, so there's that.

I like everything else about Treliving, but the UFA deals have been the step back in 2 steps forward, one step back scenario of this team.

[dino7c]

Off season is far from over...it takes one or two decent moves and the Flames are clear division favorites

It wasn't long ago we dreamed about cracking the playoffs...don't get too down

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

The most ideal situation possible now if we can't get those guys under the remaining cap is that we're able to trade Brodie for forward that helps us at a cheaper cap hit than TJ.

Dealing Frolik for a 4th or 5th means you're just going into the next season gutting your offensive and defensive depth options. I'd prefer we not do that. Would rather keep Frolik if we don't have an equal or better replacement available. You need those versatile players that can move up and down the lineup when injuries arise, as is inevitable.

I was really hoping they'd be able to keep both. I don't like the idea of trading Brodie. I know Yelesin has been good in the KHL, but I don't trust him to be a regular at this point. He may prove me wrong. That would be awesome.

I guess I'd rather see if Brodie could be traded for a lesser quality but still good RHD at a cheaper price point.

[djsFlames]

This has basically been how we've traded off leading into 19/20 with our offseason moves

Hathaway --> Lomberg / Dube
Neal --> Lucic
Stone --> Kylington
Smith --> Talbot

You probably have some minor gains and minor losses in there. Overall, the change is probably minimal, if just neutral.

It may feel like a bad one but that's just cause there's been so little action that everything done has been magnified.

If those depth changes are basically a wash, then outside of that, I think the young core being older makes you better and Valimaki will be a marked improvement to the third pairing.

And I still think Lucic just being a scary monster out there provides a boost to the psyches of the skilled players.

[Enoch Root]

There is a lot of criticism in here about the Stone contract. There are two facts that are pertinent here:

1) blood clot
2) the kids became NHL-ready faster than expected

Hardly seems like a situation worthy of of ragging on Treliving and the pro scouts IMO, but hey - knock yourselves out.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Nelson

//https://twitter.com/DarrenWHaynes/status/1156974453055791105?s=20

Clearly my math was wrong. The Flames can sign Tkachuk and Mangiapane for 8.5 and make it under the cap. Uggh. That's clearly not happening. Perhaps they are going to have to trade Frolik or Brodie for not very much. That's going to suck.

Its actually 7.7 as gillies was removed from capfriendly

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Its actually 7.7 as gillies was removed from capfriendly

The difference is that Mr. Haynes has 13F in his roster and CapFriendly has 14F. If you take Quine out and put him in the AHL, then you get a little more than 8.5M in cap space.

Also, Mr. Haynes has Kylington in the minors and Davidson as the 7th D.

[GullFoss]

Neal, brouwer, stone together around $10m in cap space. That would been enough to sign the stone in Vegas.

I'm a huge fan of Tre, but these are costly mistakes!