Lime Scooters - Lime Juicer life

[PsYcNeT]

As a Private Property owner, I suppose their alternate recourse is to inundate 311 with requests to have the City remove the scooters, or to call the scooter company to remove them. I'm guessing before these guys existed that's what they were doing, and it might not have been working out so well.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ya, I did read it, it just didn't sound like they had any sort of official agreement. Not much more than they walk past a store, and an owner complains about all the scooters around and they say "ok, we'll take care of it".

I'm not sure what sort of license you need to run a towing business removing illegally parked cars, but I'd suspect it's more than what they are doing.

I think eventually scooter companies will have to do something similar to what Car2Go does when you park illegally, you are responsible for the ticket. Probably a lot tougher though, since scooters can be tossed around by anyone.

In the US the private property laws are pretty powerful. There is a whole industry around booting cars in parking lots if you break any of the rules. This seems very similar to that.

[Wormius]

Somebody called in to 770 or 660 (too early to remember what I listen to in the mornins) and said that the Juicer gig a Ponzi scheme. Interesting.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Somebody called in to 770 or 660 (too early to remember what I listen to in the mornins) and said that the Juicer gig a Ponzi scheme. Interesting.

A ponzi scheme? I don't think they know the meaning..

[PepsiFree]

Yeah calling it a Ponzi scheme is less “interesting” and more “dumb”

[topfiverecords]

Along with paying for charging, they should provide compensation for relocating them when they're left irresponsibly. Then you'd have a community going around moving these out of bad situations for pay. Even just standing them up off to the side when they're left in the middle of a pathway, or when they're in bushes, in a crosswalk, in front of a disability lift, a parking stall, on private property, etc.

The challenge would be determining when the scooter was actually left by a rider in a situation that required relocating and not just moved there to get paid. But a private company will have to sort this out if they want municipalities to continue to allow them to operate and add more volume of these scooters to the urban realm.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Along with paying for charging, they should provide compensation for relocating them when they're left irresponsibly. Then you'd have a community going around moving these out of bad situations for pay. Even just standing them up off to the side when they're left in the middle of a pathway, or when they're in bushes, in a crosswalk, in front of a disability lift, a parking stall, on private property, etc.

The challenge would be determining when the scooter was actually left by a rider in a situation that required relocating and not just moved there to get paid. But a private company will have to sort this out if they want municipalities to continue to allow them to operate and add more volume of these scooters to the urban realm.

They do that, sort of. If they’re left out of designated areas or put somewhere obscure you get paid to go pick it up and put it back at a drop zone, even if you don’t charge it.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

They do that, sort of. If they’re left out of designated areas or put somewhere obscure you get paid to go pick it up and put it back at a drop zone, even if you don’t charge it.

Sounds like a start. Just needs to be expanded to deal with all nuisance drops.

[GGG]

Car2go would ticket users who parked illegally. Eventually this will be no different.

So far in Calgary I haven’t seen any egregious with almost all being upright and out of the way.

[Weitz]

You have to take a photo of where you left the scooter. If you leave it somewhere you shouldn’t you will be charged. It’s in the T&C.

Assuming it costs them money of course. People who leave them in bad spots just sewer themselves with the photos.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Weitz

You have to take a photo of where you left the scooter. If you leave it somewhere you shouldn’t you will be charged. It’s in the T&C.

Assuming it costs them money of course. People who leave them in bad spots just sewer themselves with the photos.

Is wearing a helmet in their Terms and Conditions as well?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I'm sure obeying all local laws and bylaws is, which would include wearing a helmet.

I learned today that privately owned escooters are still illegal on public spaces. That actually annoys the crap out of me, notwithstanding that I don't own one. Why are there different rules for the same vehicles depending on whether or not a large company is charging you to use them?

[Slava]

Helmets aren't required, but they are recommended.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Slava

Helmets aren't required, but they are recommended.

Is their own website incorrect?


https://www.li.me/locations/calgary

Are helmets required for riders?

Yes, riders must always wear a helmet while operating a Lime-E electric-assist bike in Calgary. Helmets are required by law for all electric assisted bikes in Alberta.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Is wearing a helmet in their Terms and Conditions as well?

Even if it was, do you have to take a photo proving you are wearing one?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Is their own website incorrect?


https://www.li.me/locations/calgary

Are helmets required for riders?

Yes, riders must always wear a helmet while operating a Lime-E electric-assist bike in Calgary. Helmets are required by law for all electric assisted bikes in Alberta.

Sorry, I guess I thought that we were talking about scooters...

[burn_this_city]

I rode a scooter by two cops today without a helmet, guess it doesn't apply to them.

[Bigtime]

Scooters: No helmet required.
E-Bike: Helmet required due to dumb old provincial law that needs to be tweaked.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I learned today that privately owned escooters are still illegal on public spaces. That actually annoys the crap out of me, notwithstanding that I don't own one. Why are there different rules for the same vehicles depending on whether or not a large company is charging you to use them?

I'm not sure what the actual laws are so I'll take your word for it even though I've seen several private escooters on the pathways.

What I will say is that they are not quite the same. Lime scooters in Calgary have a maximum speed of 20 km/hour. I was passed by a private escooter on the bike path the other day, he blew by me. I was doing almost 30 km/hour, he had to have been going over 40 if not 50.

Just a quick look shows that there are escooters out there with max speeds of 80 km/hour:
https://www.ridetwowheels.com/fastest-electric-scooter/

Now, I guess with a pathway speed limit of 20 km/hour you could make the (extremely reasonable) argument that it's up to the individual to not surpass the speed limit even if their vehicle can (the same way with bikes on the pathway) but at least with Lime we know they aren't and because this is a pilot project and not actually completely approved, that's not a completely unreasonable approach either.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Even then you'd think you would have some sort of rule about the maximum power the engine can have, like they do with electric bikes.