[Rumour] Steinberg: Bouma on the market?

[N26]

I'm gonna bring it up again in this thread.

Time to stop looking at 'top 6-bottom 6" and think "top 9-bottom 4" like good teams do

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Bouma for Hartnell?

We aren't being rewarded enough for taking on Hartnell's salary in that deal.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'd look at moving Ferland too. Completely re-vamp the bottom 6. About the only guy the Flames cannot move like mentioned above is Stajan.

I'm not of the belief like some others that Ferland is as good as his Van series showed.

He's not even good enough to be our 4th line LW? Ouch.

[csnarpy]

Hey, If Tkachuk makes the team then he replaces Ferland.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Not even good enough to be our 4th line LW? Ouch.

What I'm saying here is that you can find a better more experienced version of Ferland and make the team better. He was beast mode incarnate during the Van series but he either needs more seasoning on the farm or he's just going to be inconsistent like he was last year.

Look at moving Ferland if there's a better fit is all I am saying.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dammage79

What I'm saying here is that you can find a better more experienced version of Ferland and make the team better. He was beast mode incarnate during the Van series but he either needs more seasoning on the farm or he's just going to be inconsistent like he was last year.

Look at moving Ferland if there's a better fit is all I am saying.

Yeah there's a better more experienced version of Ferland available - Martin. But look at the price.

Ferland is not the problem with respect to our bottom 6. With better line-mates (like Martin), Ferland can be a great bottom 6er.

[Flash Walken]

Doesn't say a lot about a 4th line guy if he needs better players around him to have success, that is something true of every player from Akim aliu to Zarley zalapski.

The bottom 6 is all about put up or shut up

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Doesn't say a lot about a 4th line guy if he needs better players around him to have success, that is something true of every player from Akim aliu to Zarley zalapski.

The bottom 6 is all about put up or shut up

Yes because who you play with has no impact on your performance

Ferland is not the problem with our bottom 6

So can we get the thread back on topic?

[Southside]

Ferland was a problem. Guy wasn't good at all last year. Better be training hard and looking to make a difference this year or he will find himself on the waiver wire.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by dammage79

What I'm saying here is that you can find a better more experienced version of Ferland and make the team better. He was beast mode incarnate during the Van series but he either needs more seasoning on the farm or he's just going to be inconsistent like he was last year.

Look at moving Ferland if there's a better fit is all I am saying.

Why does a rebuilding team want a more experienced version of the same player that likely doesn't have the same potential upside?

Blows my mind how impatient some are getting. 1.5 NHL seasons of Ferland and we are ready to throw in towel? Good grief Charlie Brown. Ferland is exactly the type of player a rebuilding team should keep around. Our window isn't next year, any success we have next year is simply gravy, like 2 years ago was.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Doesn't say a lot about a 4th line guy if he needs better players around him to have success, that is something true of every player from Akim aliu to Zarley zalapski.

The bottom 6 is all about put up or shut up

From Akim Aliu to Zarley Zalapski is pure gold! Love it!

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Why does a rebuilding team want a more experienced version of the same player that likely doesn't have the same potential upside?

Blows my mind how impatient some are getting. 1.5 NHL seasons of Ferland and we are ready to throw in towel? Good grief Charlie Brown. Ferland is exactly the type of player a rebuilding team should keep around. Our window isn't next year, any success we have next year is simply gravy, like 2 years ago was.

When is our window then? Im so sick of this sit and wait mentality. 2014 we took a huge step forward then last year we took two back. Let's not look to edmonton for the timeline on a rebuild, we have the pieces, lets construct this thing and get there. I promise you Brad and Brian arent sitting together saying, yah next year is gravy, we wont compete for a while yet.

Patience is not always a virtue.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Southside

Ferland was a problem. Guy wasn't good at all last year. Better be training hard and looking to make a difference this year or he will find himself on the waiver wire.

Good lord...

For intents and purposes that was his ROOKIE season you're talking about. He's 24 years old.

Could it maybe be that - like most rookies - he had some difficult adjusting to play in the NHL in his first full season?

The impatience and lack of context by a few people with regard to Ferland is astounding.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

When is our window then? Im so sick of this sit and wait mentality. 2014 we took a huge step forward then last year we took two back. Let's not look to edmonton for the timeline on a rebuild, we have the pieces, lets construct this thing and get there. I promise you Brad and Brian arent sitting together saying, yah next year is gravy, we wont compete for a while yet.

Patience is not always a virtue.

Likely when our core players hit their primes, which is not next year. Johnny, Mony, Bennett, Hamilton and even Brodie's best hockey windows don't start next year. No need to start moving promising young assets out the door so we can be a little better next year rather than be better 2-3 years from now.

I'm fine with moves that might make us better for next year, I'm all for winning sooner, but not ones that involve prematurely giving up on quality prospects years before we hit our cores prime or ones that handcuff us contract wise once our Core hits their primes.

[Strange Brew]

Don't really see the point of shopping Bouma as the return for him alone is minimal. Ferland was disappointing last year but wouldn't call him a problem. He was a non factor too many games but really believe he should be given another year. The potential is obvious.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Don't really see the point of shopping Bouma as the return for him alone is minimal.

I think the logic leans more towards possibly cutting out that cap hit and allocating it elsewhere. That (depending on what they're looking at doing in free agency) could be a bigger benefit seeing as we have a lot of good, cheaper options on the bottom line.

[dying4acup]

I also think this is an indication of hope that there's been positive feedback in trade talks for Wideman.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I can understand why the Flames put Bouma on the block. Well, at least a little bit.

Bouma was a tough negotiation, and he ended up with more money than most thought he would end up with. Comes in this season, gets hurt a lot (out of his control). That's fine. But for one of the 'leaders' to be involved in the Superbowl incident.. I would have been pissed about it if I was Treliving.

Still not a huge reason to ship him out. I think it has a lot more to do with the cap and just restructuring the team to better fit what Gulutzan wants/needs. Bouma is a "Hartley guy" - fearless shot blocker. Gulutzan isn't going to employ shot blocking, but rather a more aggressive defensive zone system.

I think it is just a combination of the contract and the fit right now more than anything else.

[Strange Brew]

If he is traded I hope there is an actual return and not a cap dump.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

I like Bouma, but the bottom 6 is cut-throat. I really appreciated what Hathaway did last year in a similar role.

It's a tough way to play and I have the utmost respect for what Bouma has put on the line. But, business.