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1qqaaz · 05-20-2015, 03:28 PM

I would stay away from Kylington, because defensive deficiencies often do not greatly improve. He also isn't much better offensively than some of available options.

I would also stay away from Brandon Carlo, because there are better skaters available. Defensive defencemen are kind of a dying breed, and Carlo consistently has big minuses on a playoff team. There are only 2 very good defencemen over 6'5 in the NHL: Burns and Chara. Very large players are often more risky, not less. There are, however, plenty of below average and big defence. Many taken with high picks. See Sustr, Finley, Doherty, Gill, Smaby, Lauridsen, Aulie, and Tinordi.

Svechnikov looks good, but I get the feeling that he will max out as a good second liner. Second liners are much more easy to obtain than good 3-4 defencemen.
Konechy is too small, and his skill is not even that elite either. Jeremy Roy has nearly as many goals and points and while playing defence.

Merkley would be good if available.

I think the best picks here are Chapot and Roy, with the slight edge going to Chapot. Don't see any big flaws in either of their games. Neither of them seem too risky, and I think it would very unwise for the Flames to pick another risky prospect with a top 15 pick. They could alternatively do that in the second round. After listening to management's priorities and preferences, it seems like Chapot is the most likely pick.

Ashasx · 05-20-2015, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I would stay away from Kylington, because defensive deficiencies often do not greatly improve. He also isn't much better offensively than some of available options.

I would also stay away from Brandon Carlo, because there are better skaters available. Defensive defencemen are kind of a dying breed, and Carlo consistently has big minuses on a playoff team. There are only 2 very good defencemen over 6'5 in the NHL: Burns and Chara. Very large players are often more risky, not less. There are, however, plenty of below average and big defence. Many taken with high picks. See Sustr, Finley, Doherty, Gill, Smaby, Lauridsen, Aulie, and Tinordi.

Svechnikov looks good, but I get the feeling that he will max out as a good second liner. Second liners are much more easy to obtain than good 3-4 defencemen.
Konechy is too small, and his skill is not even that elite either. Jeremy Roy has nearly as many goals and points and while playing defence.

Merkley would be good if available.

I think the best picks here are Chapot and Roy, with the slight edge going to Chapot. Don't see any big flaws in either of their games. Neither of them seem too risky, and I think it would very unwise for the Flames to pick another risky prospect with a top 15 pick. They could alternatively do that in the second round. After listening to management's priorities and preferences, it seems like Chapot is the most likely pick.

I agree with a lot of what you've written here, though I think if Svechnikov becomes a 2nd liner, that's a pretty good pick for us.

Angelino · 05-20-2015, 03:57 PM

I voted for Chabot but wouldn't mind if the Flames selected Svechnikov. Chabot seems to be a player that would help Calgary more in the long run.

JoelOtto29 · 05-20-2015, 04:59 PM

Chabot seems like the safer bet. With Svechnikov you have to hope that he can put it all together.

herashak · 05-20-2015, 07:01 PM

ive got a feeling its boeser

littlereddevil · 05-20-2015, 07:14 PM

I voted for Jeremy Roy.

He's got better upside than Chabot IMO, and I actually think he's a lower risk. Chabot seems to be inconsistent with his defensive awareness at times, and while he will fill out his frame and improve, I think he's less likely to become a 1-2 defenseman than Roy. Also he shoots right-handed, so that fills an organizational need.

http://thehockeywriters.com/jeremy-r...spect-profile/

Svechnikov is tempting because of his size and NHL-type skill, but he seems to have consistency issues and a lack of defensive commitment. Doesn't sound like a Treliving player to me, based on what we've been hearing.

I think the Flames will either take Chabot or Roy, depending on who they like better, or they'll take a forward like Harkins. These players stick out to me as players that the Flames would be high on.

Tilley · 05-21-2015, 09:21 AM

There has been a great response with over 220 votes. With 4 clear options, should we have a secondary poll with those choices or go with the Russian winger as the choice? We have plenty of time to finish the draft.

Atodaso · 05-21-2015, 09:27 AM

First, there should be a poll on whether we should make a poll for the final 4. My choices include yes, no and maybe.

I vote yes.

SanFranFlamesFan · 05-21-2015, 10:06 AM

I know this is just one site, but at least it's the same writer in an apples-to-apples comparison. If you read through these, I'm pretty sure the ranking for these 3 defensemen would be as follows:

1. Roy. http://thehockeywriters.com/jeremy-r...spect-profile/ Risk: 1/5 Reward: 4.5/5. NHL Potential: Top-pairing two-way defenseman with great offensive potential, but also defensively responsible

2. Kylington. http://thehockeywriters.com/oliver-k...spect-profile/ Risk: 1/5 Reward: 4/5. NHL Potential: Top-four pairing defenseman with excellent two-way ability

3. Chabot. http://thehockeywriters.com/thomas-c...spect-profile/ Risk: 2.5/5 Reward: 4/5 NHL Potential: 2nd pairing two-way defenseman with offensive potential

automaton 3 · 05-21-2015, 10:35 AM

I don't think the Flames have the luxury of gambling on a player like Kylington in the 1st round. They need to draft someone that has a high probability of playing.

There will be some very good players available to the Flames at 15 that appear to carry much less risk.

Vinny01 · 05-21-2015, 11:43 AM

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I don't think the Flames have the luxury of gambling on a player like Kylington in the 1st round. They need to draft someone that has a high probability of playing.

There will be some very good players available to the Flames at 15 that appear to carry much less risk.

Last year the Flamea had the #2 ranked prospect group per HF (not the poster the actual site). I think they do have the luxury of taking a risk. They do now far more than they did in 2012 when they picked Jankowski

dammage79 · 05-21-2015, 01:47 PM

Votes are pretty strong for Svechnikov. By a hefty margin at that. I'd pass on a run off poll.

JoelOtto29 · 05-21-2015, 01:53 PM

secondary poll would be interesting

Poe969 · 05-21-2015, 01:58 PM

Isn't Svechnikov a left winnger? I thought the Flames were pretty set at LW and I honestly don't even think he's the best option available but that's just me. What are the main reasons so many people like this guy. Honest question, not being a jerk.

dammage79 · 05-21-2015, 02:55 PM

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Isn't Svechnikov a left winnger? I thought the Flames were pretty set at LW and I honestly don't even think he's the best option available but that's just me. What are the main reasons so many people like this guy. Honest question, not being a jerk.

LW/RW/C. PLayed all three positions this past season. IIRC, played mostly RW and they moved him to C after a while.

dammage79 · 05-21-2015, 03:04 PM

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Isn't Svechnikov a left winger?

Most draft lists had Poirier as a LW too only to find out from he himself he's always been a RW.

handgroen · 05-21-2015, 03:12 PM

i'm in favor of just marking it svechnikov and moving forward

sureLoss · 05-21-2015, 06:56 PM

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If Buffalo were crazy enough to offer the 21st OA + 31st OA for 15?

drool....

John Vogl @BuffNewsVogl
Murray on WGR says with Sabres' 21st overall pick, he'd like to either move up or trade it for a young player.

Flames Draft Watcher · 05-21-2015, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

There are only 2 very good defencemen over 6'5 in the NHL: Burns and Chara. Very large players are often more risky, not less.

That is a false statement. Hedman and Myers can play for my team any time. Hedman is better than Chara right now in fact.

Heavy Jack · 05-21-2015, 07:22 PM

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John Vogl @BuffNewsVogl
Murray on WGR says with Sabres' 21st overall pick, he'd like to either move up or trade it for a young player.

Granlund + Reinhart + 45th overall for 21st overall

53rd overall + 21st overall + 15th overall for NJ's 6th overall

Draft Mikko Rantenen

Gaudreau - Monahan - Hudler
Bouma - Backlund - Colborne
Ferland - Bennett - Rantenen
Shore - Stajan - Jooris

drool